PhraseExpress v8 - Professional Edition PC Software with a 65% off Discount Coupon Code

Roberto anybody swithched from breevy to phraseexpress?

Sep 12 2011 at 12:15am

Simus Karakas i tryed brevy and a few others but phrase express is the best of them. brevy doesn't store formated text and no jpgs.

Sep 12 2011 at 12:39am

Roberto Hello Simus, thanks for your comment.

Im a developer, currently i have many shortcuts used as snippets. Something like:

a href="%(Input)" title="%(Input)"%(cursor)/a

this allows me to input the missing parameters in my html.. can i get the same behaviour with PE?

Sep 12 2011 at 1:04am

Gunnar Bartels > can i get the same behaviour with PE?

Sure, here is a video demo:
http://screencast.com/t/fIOBFKFxP0en

This would be the macro:

a href="{#input -head URL? -single}" title="{#input -head Title? -single}"{#cursor}/a

Please learn more about the macro functions in PhraseExpress at
http://manual.phraseexpress.com#macro

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 12 2011 at 1:37am

Roberto oh! thanks for the custom video :)

Sep 12 2011 at 1:47am

Gunnar Bartels You're welcome. Please find many more step-by-step videos on our tutorial website http://www.text-expander.com and in the manual at http://manual.phraseexpress.com

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 12 2011 at 1:51am

Roberto Thanks, count me in. Looks quite powerful, i hope your company can get a bunch of customers and dont increase the prices too much for the pro version :P

Sep 12 2011 at 7:06am

Gunnar Bartels Glad to hear that you like PhraseExpress.

I am happy to tell that we have no plans to increase the price for the Professional Edition at this time.

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 12 2011 at 7:14am

G McGeachie Can the program be run as a portable edition or does it need to be installed on the hard drive?
Gerry

Sep 12 2011 at 7:06pm

Gunnar Bartels Can the program be run as a portable edition

PhraseExpress can run from a USB thumb drive and automatically turns into portable mode, leaving no trace on the host computer.

Please learn more at http://manual.phraseexpress.com#usb (including step-by-step vide instructions).

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 12 2011 at 11:37pm

J M is the PE v9 planed for this quarter? there is some kind of "upgrade protection".

Sep 13 2011 at 12:30am

Yabatopia I have a laptop and a desktop computer. Do I need to buy 2 licenses or is a network edition the way to go? Or do you recommend running PhraseExpress as a portable app from a USB thumb drive?

Sep 14 2011 at 4:43pm

Gunnar Bartels @Yabatopia: Yes, running PhraseExpress from the USB memory device is the ideal solution in your setup. It also saves you from syncing your phrase library as all your data is carried on the USB memory device.

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 15 2011 at 12:35am

Gunnar Bartels @J M: We kindly ask for your understanding that we generally do not publish (planned) release dates in order to avoid disappointment if any release may be delayed. If you remember the many delays of the Microsoft Vista release you may agree that software development is a non-linear and unpredictable process - Even for the biggest software company in the world.

If we have a new version we will be proud to tell on our webpage.

Please sign the spam-free newsletter to stay tuned for news about product releases: http://newsletter.phraseexpress.com

The update policy can be found at http://shop.phraseexpress.com.

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 15 2011 at 12:38am

Tony J J M: You can see the release dates for the last two versions in the Version History section at http://www.phraseexpress.com/updates.htm

Both were released in December, and Gunnar Bartels said in a previous comment "We release major new versions about every 12 months..."

I can understand Gunnar not wanting to give out a release date, but it looks like December is a good bet.

Sep 15 2011 at 1:26am

Roberto it will be a little painful :)

Sep 15 2011 at 1:39am

Gunnar Bartels @Tony: As I was trying to explain, we really have no regular/static release interval. We release new versions if the new version is mature and rock-solid stable, not necessarily just because it is December. :-)

Generally, we never put us in a hurry and rather want to publish mature new versions for reasonable reasons :

* Large companies are using PhraseExpress in "mission-critical" environments. They have departments to slap us with wet towels if we mess up.

* We have a very large userbase and would instantly drown in technical support if we would rush out an instable release just to fit the release into a static schedule.

It may be December. But if anything unexpected happens (changes in the OS that affect compatibility/stability of PhraseExpress or updates of important 3rd party applications such as Office/OpenOffice/Thunderbird) or any other unforeseeable event it may be March 2012 and we won't hesitate to shift the release in case of any afraid.

By the way, the large BdJ discounts more than compensates the first major upgrade anyway. ;-)

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 15 2011 at 3:00am

SoftCollector I question to current users of PhraseExpress v8: is it worth the price tag?

There is not time enough to test it - it does look nice and well engineered - but is it worth buying at $48.98? I am sure I would not shell out $139.95 - in my opinion the 'goodness' it brings cannot justify such a price tag, but this is the logic of 'free' competition: if you could sell it for the price of a new car, why wouldn't you?

But back to the point: does it justify the current price tag? Could someone come forward and explain - in real life words - how PhraseExpress v8 is going to make my work faster / better?

I can see that the idea is similar to that used in Trados AutoSuggest, but more details are welcome.

Sep 15 2011 at 3:11am

Roberto softcollector: PE looks like the most powerful textexpander. I was using breevy (i love the breevy user interface and is lightweight, no issues with it).
With PE you can get some extra features. Price is a big cons for me, but i bought and "see" what will happen.
Im just evaluating it, im not a pro user.. but the scripting in PE is great, well documented, and seems to be upgraded frecuently.
Just wanted to be with today's deal, i think i could not pay the full price and i have to see which are the new features in the next upgrade because license is a bit step.
i wish to have PE installed in my pc and laptop, but the license does not allow this. Then, ill use breevy in my laptop. Both are great programs.

Sep 15 2011 at 3:34am

Gunnar Bartels @SoftCollector: Please allow me to comment on the price.

Nobody will ever be able to reliably tell you whether PhraseExpress is worth its price for *you*.

When software is offered at a certain price, a few people comment that it would be too expensive, others will be happy as the software is exactly what they were looking for.

And indeed, there are even people who say, that they would have paid even twice as much because they appreciate the flawless way the product works, the quick email responses, excellent technical support and continuous product updates over the time; including new features where other manufacturers would already have charged for an upgrade.

Of course, we could offer PhraseExpress at a lower price. But then we would need to cut down Q&A, testing, R&D and technical support as a logical consequence.

But we refuse to cut down quality as PhraseExpress is there to save your time. Everybody knows too well, that half-baken software *steals* your time as you need to fiddle around bugs and limitations.

You can find some everyday uses for PhraseExpress in our step-by-step video tutorials at http://www.text-expander.com and all the features explained in the manual at http://manual.phraseexpress.com . A comprehensive list of all included features is available at http://www.phraseexpress....atures.htm

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 15 2011 at 3:35am

Alan Sawyer Since only minor version upgrades are free, can someone tell me when V8 came out?

Alan

Sep 15 2011 at 4:24am

Alan Sawyer It looks like V8 was released Dec 14, 2010. Since we're fairly close to that date is there any kind of upgrade protection that would qualify for an upgrade to V9 if it comes out by end of 2011?

Alan

Sep 15 2011 at 4:30am

Roberto 12/13/2010 This is the first release of the new version 8.
12/15/2009 And this is the first (i think) release of version 7.
12/04/2008 PhraseExpress Autotext 6.
07/13/2008 PhraseExpress Autotext 5
12/01/2008 PhraseExpress Autotext 4

im not 100% sure about this, only some google research.

Sep 15 2011 at 4:32am

David Powelstock Is a discount available for the Standard Edition?
david

Sep 15 2011 at 4:38am

Steven Avery Hi,

This is a fine program, $50 is still real $ (but a nice discount) so I will read the posts carefully, read my Donationcoder friends who discuss the various phrase methods.

And probably do a download and trial and give it careful consideration. May also download a competitor or two for comparison.

Kudos to Bits who has been doing more with the ace companies the last weeks and less with the schlockers.

Steven

Sep 15 2011 at 4:43am

Alan Sawyer @Roberto,
Thanks for the info. I suspect V9 is right around the corner.
I will purchase this today if V9 update is included.
Alan

Sep 15 2011 at 5:02am

bvssunnydale I don't understand how this is any different from a program like (the significantly cheaper) Shortkeys (or similar) - you type in an abbreviation and it expands text.. and what is called a "phrase library" can be just as easily accomplished with a little creativity and a prefix or suffix. Am I missing something?

Sep 15 2011 at 5:33am

Alan Sawyer I think this product is similar to Breevy, DirectAccess which I also use, but has more features.

I think it's like any other software, if it's worth it to you, then buy it, if it's not then don't.

I am a long time DirectAccess user and have been pretty happy, but am thinking of purchasing PE because it has more features that I feel that I could use. I also have to use USB version so assuming that I can get a free V9 upgrade if it comes out by end of 2011, then I'm ready to buy.

Sep 15 2011 at 5:43am

Roger Thomasson @ Alan

Gunnar (or any other BDJ vendor) is under no obligation to provide you with major release dates, minor release dates, or anything in between.

And regardless, PhraseExpress does not include free upgrades to major versions. It's very clearly stated in our policy tab.

So the answer is no, you will not get a free upgrade to v9 if you purchase PhraseExpress today from BDJ.

-r

BitsDuJour Admin - Sep 15 2011 at 5:56am

Stew Cam I have used numerous text expanders and PE is the best of breed. It is fairly expensive, especially when you factor in the cost of upgrades. However, if you are a heavy user of repetitive phrases, you will justify the expense. For example, PE tells me I used over 400 text expander phrases at work today. Cheaper programs generally struggle with a large bank of phrases. PE makes it relatively easy to organise, search and update phrases. I use the portable edition and find it indispensable. Note that registration is tied to a specific USB stick, so a change of stick requires reauthorisation by the author. I generally avoid such registration schemes, but with PE I am prepared to make an exception.

Sep 15 2011 at 5:57am

Alan Sawyer @Roger,
I understand they are not under an obligation, but as you know many vendors here do have policies that say that if a new version is released within a certain time then it's a free upgrade.

I also buy a fair amount of products on BDJ including 3 licenses for a product from yesterday, so this is something I take very seriously.

I actually would like to use this via DropBox and thought that the USB version would work for me, though now I'm not sure. Can someone tell me if it would work?

I am the only person using this software, so I would like to be able to find a way to use it wherever I am, work, laptop, or desktop, but I can't install software at work so I have to do either USB or dropbox.

Sep 15 2011 at 6:10am

PK MacGuy PE Pro is expensive at full cost but with this discount it is at a much more affordable level. Major upgrade requires another license... but upgrading is not mandatory... if the current version works fine with you it will continue to work well without upgrade.

Sep 15 2011 at 6:14am

PK MacGuy Can't install PE at office neither so I'd also like to know if I can run PE off dropbox.

Sep 15 2011 at 6:17am

Alan Sawyer In the manual it doesn't seem to indicate that it needs activation if you switch usb drives so I would think it would work on dropbox, but I'll await the official answer.

http://www.phraseexpress....al.htm#usb

The reason I was interested in V9 was that if a new version comes out in Dec 2011, then it will cost 50% of the price to upgrade to it, so if there is a feature I like I will be paying more than the license today costs.

Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining or faulting anyone, just trying to understand how it works so I can get the most for my dollar.

Yesterday I bought 3 licenses for a Subscription plan product which I don't like doing, but it was cheap enough $7 each, and it made sense for me to do it. I will purchase Phrase Express if it makes sense for me.

Alan

Sep 15 2011 at 6:24am

Roger Thomasson @ Alan

I understand, but unfortunately there's nothing to be done here. Your decision to purchase will have to be based on the current version and whether or not it suits your needs. Gunnar doesn't yet know the v9 release date, and if he did, it wouldn't matter -- PhraseExpress doesn't include free upgrades to major versions.

Neither of these two facts are going to change in the next 17 hours.

Don't forget, these are the same rules that apply to all PhraseExpress customers, not just those getting a 65% discount :-)

-r

BitsDuJour Admin - Sep 15 2011 at 6:37am

Alan Sawyer @Roger,
I totally understand and am fine with that.

Once I know if I can use it with DropBox, I will make my decision.

Alan

Sep 15 2011 at 6:52am

Roger Thomasson @ Alan

Apologies, didn't realize you were referring to the dropbox question!

Forgive my redundancy :-)

BitsDuJour Admin - Sep 15 2011 at 7:09am

Alan Sawyer @Roger,
No problem. DropBox is my only current question, so if it will work I am ready to buy.

Alan

Sep 15 2011 at 7:23am

K X Is there a way to change the color of the highlighted suggestions in PhraseExpress? In v7 they were blue, in v8 they are black. I'd prefer somethng lighter than black.

Sep 15 2011 at 7:51am

K X @ Stew

You wrote: 'Note that registration is tied to a specific USB stick, so a change of stick requires reauthorisation by the author."

I've only used on desktop PCs. In Settings, there's an option to remove the license so you can move the installation to another computer. Is this process different for a USB installation?

Sep 15 2011 at 7:55am

Gunnar Bartels @K X: You can de-register the license key for use with another installation by yourself at any time and as often as you like. Please learn more at http://manual.phraseexpre...deregister

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 15 2011 at 8:18am

Gunnar Bartels @K X: Yes, you can change the color of the popup menu to greates extend: text color, background color, highlighted item text color, highlighted text background color, etc. Please just open the settings and you will easily find the color options.

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 15 2011 at 8:20am

K X Thanks, I thojught that's how it worked for desktops, I just didn't know if it was different for USB drives.

Sep 15 2011 at 8:21am

Gunnar Bartels @bvssunnydale: Please check http://www.phraseexpress....atures.htm to learn some *major* differences between those programs and PhraseExpress. ;-)

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 15 2011 at 8:27am

Bob Roberts Checked the web site but didn't see anything on this.
With the USB version, is it better PE be used on it's own stick with no other programs/files aboard? And what would be a typical minimum memory capacity recommended if I would dedicate it to it's own stick?

Sep 15 2011 at 8:28am

Gunnar Bartels PK MacGuy: I would not recommend to run a *program* from a DropBox folder as DropBox is not designed for such application. However, in theory, you should be able to extract the contents of the PhraseExpress USB Edition ZIP files into the DropBox folder and run it from there. However, it sounds awkward to me.

I would rather suggest to run PhraseExpress from a USB memory device. Please learn more http://manual.phraseexpress.com#usb

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 15 2011 at 8:32am

Alan Sawyer Gunnar,
I have run quite a few applications from DropBox and I like how it works since I am the only user, and can only be at one place at a time, it syncs to my laptop, desktop or work, where ever I am.

I will purchase the product and hopefully can get it to work on DropBox.

Alan

Sep 15 2011 at 8:46am

Gunnar Bartels @Alan: Please note that the license will be tied to the *computer* and not to the DropBox folder. You can't "sync" the license across multiple computers via DropBox. Only, if you run PhraseExpress from a USB device, PhraseExpress will be licensed to the USB device (instead to the computer).

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 15 2011 at 9:10am

Gunnar Bartels @Bob Roberts: PhraseExpress does not need a dedicated USB device. You can also store any other information on the USB stick or run other programs from the USB stick as well.

PhraseExpress takes approximately 8MB plus the size of your phrase file (which is automatically ZIP compressed by PhraseExpress).

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 15 2011 at 9:18am

David Powelstock Is a discount available for the Standard Edition, too, or just the Pro?
david

(Hi. Sorry to repeat this question, but it seems to have been overlooked the first time!)

Sep 15 2011 at 9:38am

Alan Sawyer @Gunnar,
Now I'm totally confused.
If PE doesn't need a dedicated USB device then the license for USB is not tied to the "computer", correct??

You said:
However, in theory, you should be able to extract the contents of the PhraseExpress USB Edition ZIP files into the DropBox folder and run it from there. However, it sounds awkward to me.

so awkward or not, it sounds like it should work. Maybe I'm confused withe the USB Edition, but is that what I just bought?

Alan

Sep 15 2011 at 9:46am

Think Again About 2 years ago, I tried some 25 "expanders", incl. very high-priced "medical transcription aids", etc.

PE was the very best of all those, without any doubt and with a very large advance over some others. Many of them are so silly that they just expand shortcuts everywhere, or that they just expand them before SOME signs, i.e. ",", ".", but not ";", etc., etc., or just before spaces, so that you can never use them for the last word of a sentence or a half-sentence, etc., etc., even for paying programs; it goes without saying that PE is quite another world where such problems are unknown.

I didn't buy though, because I had a question, so I dared kindly asking it. All I got as an answer, was a computer-generated thing saying questions weren't allowed but for paying, existing users.

Thus, no question whatsoever in order to decide whether to buy or not - people don't know what incredible a chance they have that Mr. Bartels' willing to take their questions here!

Then, after a LOT of searching in the manual, I finally even found the (partly positive) answer to my question, but the problem was resolved there in not a very elegant way to say the least.

I then thought, with MS Word, I've got all I need, and then, nobody needs the same shortcuts in his text program and in his graphics program, e.g., so the global availability of an expander's shortcuts within every given programme on your system is fine in theory, but rather limited in its practical scope, except for rather special purposes.

I then discovered PE has a free version but that "phones home", in order to stop you if you use it for commercial purposes ; that's understandable, even if those technical possibilities are thus all there that it never will stop phoning home even after you'll have bought the program.

Then I discovered people having bought the standard version were complaining that it did even less than their previous free edition, while the latter one does, of course, less than the professional version on offer here, and Mr. Bartels only said that this was so intended by his company.

Then I discovered some discussions in the web where it got weird: Mr. Bartels got into endless fighting with critics there, when in fact, he HAS got the finest expander program out there in his hands, and thus could be much more relaxed than he was; for me, that went hand in hand with his company's sending out computer things refusing to give any answer to prospects, and I thought it was a pity.

And finally, I analysed my shortkey use without PE - even today I don't use PE for that, even for free, not because I don't want to, but just because I don't need to, and it's not for commercial purposes, so I probably would not automatically be stopped from further use -, and I discovered that, writing a lot of German, that particular problem of the German language to have a lot of "flexitive endings" on most of its words, make it almost impossible to make thorough use of any expander program:

It's male / female / plural / second-case endings, you have a lot of different verb forms, depending on the tense, and on top of that, you have, within the word, very often a flexation from a vowel to some composed vowels, etc., and it's endless; you type the shortcut, and then, on every third occasion or so, you rectify manually what you've got by the expander.

So, Mr. Bartels having got the world's best expander program in his hands, he should introduce some more artificial intelligence into PE in order to deliver the RIGHT form of a given word, depending on the context. This would bring PE there where Dragon NaturallySpeaking has got already, and indeed, most people considering an expander program should consider a voice recognition program first since it could be that it'll fulfill their needs and wishes better than any expander program will ever do.

This being said, USB sticks ain't that ubiquitous anymore, today it's a combination of a portable device with its hard disc (HHD or SSD) and the cloud, whilst USB sticks too easily get lost. So, people willing to use their shortcuts set(s) in the office, at home, on travel... from Mr. Bartels, they must buy 2, 3 licences for a single user, or take the risk and the "fun" of juggling around with a USB stick: If it's normal size, it gets very much in the way; if it's of the very tiny variety, it will even easier get lost.

This is of course since Mr. Bartels doesn't trust his paying customers, and he certainly is right to think that perhaps one out of 4 or 5 would use the same licence for his son or his wife if he, Bartels, didn't made this impossible for him, the unfaithful customer.

Other developers face the same problem as Mr. Bartels, but they take those chances, wanting to act friendly with their paying customers, and knowing that anyway, the son or the wife wouldn't have bought a second licence, and that such there isn't a real loss.

In corporations, it's not that much of a problem since every staff member that is outed one day will be happy then to signal to every rights owner out there that his or her employer uses non-genuine licences, i.e. 1 license bought, 3 people working with it, and not many employers today take those risks any more.

And finally, since PE phones home, technically it would be possible to check for such double / multiple use of the same licences: If it was one user only, he'd use the same sets... and if it was multiple users with the same sets of shortkeys, well, just wait for defections. And, the wife and the son, etc. - wouldn't that be but private use anyway, so what, even with the professional version?

As said, most developers consider those problems the way I try to develop here, more or less, and then they put a minimum of condidence into their customer relationship. Not so Mr. Bartels - and not so Dragon indeed.

Again, Mr. Bartels' got the best text expander of my knowing, and if I hadn't to buy 1 licence for each of my old computers, I'd seriously consider buying, but not being in the need to buy, those bysides, those conditions and weird things AROUND the product put me off.

AND those specific German language problems.

P.S. : A hint, not for those which are really too big, but for lesser plural / female ending problems in other languages. Why not introduce a standardized way for adding them, as such:

ab whatever
ab-s whatevers
ab-e whatevere, and even
ab-e whatevère when applicable in that word in that language,

the "-" being immediately accessible on many keyboards, whilst the "," or "." also are but are needed for their usual punctuation means.

You could even do something like
mn man
mn-s men

With such a short word, this would be ridiculous, but the order of things here being, make it easy for the user to put in a standardized suffix to shortkeys that PE then expands right to the rules of that word in that language; the same with a lot more endings; you could even introduce forms like

d do
d1 done
d2 have done
etc., etc.

If there is such a function already, all the better; as said, it's been some time I've tried PE.

AND, don't just offer PE here 3 months before a major new release is out. Be WITH your customers, and a lot more of prospects will be with you, as loyal customers. In programming, the strictest way is the good one; with customers, the easy way is best.

Sep 15 2011 at 10:10am

Alan Sawyer @Gunnar
In your manual it states:
You can enforce the USB mode in PhraseExpress even if you do not run the program from a USB stick by launching the program with the command-line parameter -portable. Please find more information in chapter "Command line parameters".

All I want to do is use PE that I just bought. I'm not trying to be a pain but how can I run this from DropBox or in USB mode on a non usb drive?

If you want to send me a private email, I'm fine with that. I promise, it's only me, no one will ever see my license key, and I'm going to be the only one ever using it.

I actually do like the idea of occasionally phoning home to make sure I'm the only user, I'm fine with that.

Alan

Sep 15 2011 at 10:18am

SoftCollector @Think Again

Well done - great review!

Sep 15 2011 at 11:16am

Alan Sawyer I activated it on my laptop, then deactivated so I could try it on DropBox. It is now saying my license key is invalid.

Alan

Sep 15 2011 at 11:21am

Alan Sawyer Now it accepted it, so please ignore or delete my last message
Alan

Sep 15 2011 at 11:23am

Alan Sawyer It doesn't look like it will work with DropBox. I suspect it's because even though it has been stated that PE doesn't require a dedicated USB drive, which is correct, I believe it does lock it to the usb device, and since DropBox really isn't a device (No Hardware serial number for example), it just won't work.

I'll have to live with that and will have to buy a USB drive just for this one program.

Alan

Sep 15 2011 at 11:26am

H. H. Hallo,
since it´s only a short time for testing, and earlier versions didn´t have the feature I´ve the following question:
does PE 8 now allow to directly choose a phrase not only via shortcut or contextmenu, but also directly from the tree-structure with phrases (meaning, that just marking the phrase in the tree and than using a shortcut-command like strg+w for inserting it in the word-document.
The software TexManager 4 does have this ability, but probably only works with MS Word.
Thank you for answering in advance
H.H:

Sep 15 2011 at 11:35am

Jean Sibe Lost my interest due forced USB device usage, I don't want to carry any USB device just due one program, nowadays when you have multiple computers, cloud services...

For me it would be totally OK to always "phone home" and check if license key is running at some other machine, meaning license would be Per User instead of Per Computer.

I mean, this is software / application, not whole Operating System. I understand Microsoft is restricting Windows per computer.

Sofware publishers could maybe learn from Beyond Compare and its flexible licensing (http://www.scootersoftwar...kb_license)

Don't want to be rude but Phrase Express has huge emphasis regarding productivity, I am thinking about wasted time and productivity and seeing people clicking on "Safe removal of device", another click, click... waiting... removing USB, inserting to another computer, waiting for computer to recognize, opening Windows Explorer, navigating to USB, folder, launching program. Not so effective.

Sep 15 2011 at 11:52am

Gunnar Bartels @David Powelstock: Professional Edition only as advertised.

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 15 2011 at 12:08pm

Gunnar Bartels @Think Again: PhraseExpress does NOT "phone home" at all. It would not only be unethical but also unlawful. The software is digitally signed and we are a registered company. We could not do business for 13 years if we would spy out our users. Period.

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 15 2011 at 12:15pm

Bob Hughes I would really like to purchase this software, however I am concerned about some of the things I have read about the licensing restrictions.

Please clarify, if I use a desktop pc at the office, a desktop pc at home, and a laptop when travelling, then does your licensing agreement requires me to purchase 3 licenses?

I understand about the USB device option, but this option does not work easily for me as I do not have any available USB ports on two out of three computers.

Please assure me that your licensing agreement will allow a single user to use PhraseExpress Professsional Edition on multiple computers.

Sep 15 2011 at 12:19pm

Gunnar Bartels @Bob Hughes: One license is required per computer (or USB memory device) as stated at http://shop.phraseexpress.com

If you lack an USB port, you can add additional ports with an USB hub.

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 15 2011 at 12:25pm

Bob Hughes Of course I could add a USB hub, but this is not practical when travelling with a laptop on an aircraft and trying to fit not only a laptop on the meal tray but a USB hun as well!

You did not directly answer my question about licensing.

If I use a desktop pc at the office, a desktop pc at home, and a laptop when travelling, then does your licensing agreement requires me to purchase 3 licenses unless I use the USB key option?

Thanks,
Bob

Sep 15 2011 at 12:29pm

Alan Sawyer @Bob
Actually he did answer you, one message above.
Yes, if you don't use the usb option, you would need one license per computer.

Alan

Sep 15 2011 at 12:39pm

Gunnar Bartels @Bob Hughes, if I tell you that one license is required per computer and if you tell me that you want to use it on three different computers, do you really ask me, how many licenses you would need to purchase?

3 computers x 1 license per computer = 3 licenses.

We would love to only charge one license per *user* (as it is the case with the Network Edition) but unfortunately, the Stand-Alone Edition software would not be able to figure out if it would be used by just one user. Our apologies for the inconvenience.

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 15 2011 at 12:43pm

Bob Hughes Sorry, I did not see the first part of your reply regarding the licensing agreement as stated at http://shop.phraseexpress.com.

However, your sarcasm does not help to sell your product, or endear me to your company

Sep 15 2011 at 1:05pm

Gunnar Bartels You are welcome. It was no sarcasm, it was a question and an answer.

If you read my reply as being sarcastic, you apparently found something that could be worth to be sarcastic about.

I haven't found anything like this and was just trying to be helpful. Please, take my apologies for any confusion.

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 15 2011 at 1:15pm

Bob Hughes Sarcasm = stating the obvious when you have assumed that I had understood your previous comment instead of giving be the benefit of a doubt. In this context, your comment was offensive "if I tell you that one license is required per computer and if you tell me that you want to use it on three different computers, do you really ask me, how many licenses you would need to purchase?" 3 computers x 1 license per computer = 3 licenses.

I can do simple math 3 x 1 = 3.

What I find unbelievable is that you do not license your software per user as many programs do today, especially when so many people use more than one computer.

Sep 15 2011 at 1:21pm

Gunnar Bartels In my previous reply, I already tried to explain the reason of our license policy in advance:

We would love to only charge one license per *user* (as it is the case with the Network Edition) but unfortunately, the Stand-Alone Edition software would not be able to figure out if it would be used by just one user.

We try to provide a viable work-around with the Portable mode which gives users the opportunity to use one license on an unlimited number of computers. As a bonus, your data is carried with you, saving you from any syncing issues.

If you have no USB port available in your individual setup, we unfortunately can't help.

> I can do simple math 3 x 1 = 3.

I am happy to see that you can perform such calculations and it is very nice that you demonstrated that to us, Bob.

> stating the obvious

I am sorry to tell, but it was not obvious to me that you asked the same question again even after I already answered it in this thread. I was a little bit confused whether you really asked the same question and just asked for confirmation. I am sorry for my confusion.

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 15 2011 at 1:39pm

Bob Hughes More sarcasm "I am happy to see that you can perform such calculations and it is very nice that you demonstrated that to us, Bob."

I hope your customer service does not resort to this approach as does your performance here.

Do you really think that your sarcastic attitude is going to help you sell more licenses?

Sep 15 2011 at 1:43pm

Gunnar Bartels Glad that you mention our technical support quality.

You can find our level of technical support at http://forum.phraseexpress.com and in this thread at BdJ.

If you scroll above, we answer technical questions in a timely manner, including step-by-step video tutorials as you can find earlier in this thread.

I am happy to assist you with any additional *product*-related question.

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 15 2011 at 1:52pm

Bob Hughes Thanks for returning to a more professional approach.

OK, assuming I can make the USB-based approach work, if I need to move Phrase Express over from one USB drive to another, how will Phrase Express handle the transition from a licensing point of view?

In other words, how does Phrase Express "know" that I am transitioning from one USB drive to another?

Sep 15 2011 at 1:58pm

Gunnar Bartels You can de-register your license at any time for use with another installation. Please learn more at http://manual.phraseexpre...deregister

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 15 2011 at 2:01pm

Bob Hughes One more question...what if I accidentally lose my USB memory device. Since I could not deregister Phrase Express from the lost USB memory device, how could I transfer Phrase Express to another USB memory device?

Thanks,
Bob

Sep 15 2011 at 7:00pm

Steven Avery Hi,

ok, I tried to come up to speed on some issues. It looks like the missing link here is that for many of use the free version of PhraseExpress is sufficient, since it is a full version and we are not using it for work.

In my case, I would be happy to recommend it to the client-work environment with 20 PCs if it is a real productivity tool.

Using the free version also eliminates concerns about upgrade frequency and costs and having two PCs in the house and stuff like that.

Now, PhraseExpress had a history where they overly nagged (as pointed out e.g. on Snapfiles) however they say this is fixed. If so, fine, if not then the representations are off.

So, as it stands now, I will download and use the free version. If the nag problem is off-base, then on to Breevy. If all is fine, then I will use and recommend as "best of breed".

PhraseExpress makes the point that this free version is a full version. That is their decision, and if it is handled properly it more than balances the concerns with frequent versions, upgrades and multiple computers. A business environment that shells out $ for Office and PaperPort and backup and security programs and this and that can weigh the decision, and the cost for many is easily handled (although the computations of PE may be a bit optimistic, self-serving). Even a home biz can probably handle this, using Bits and any discounts that arise.

The question is whether there is any "gotchas" involved for non-professional home use, hopefully not. If the reports are good, I will start up quickly in the PhraseExpress world

Principle beginning use example: "1T316" expanding to a formatted versions of the Bible verse "1 Timothy 3:16" which I normally get by going to Bible software and then cutting and pasting, and then doing a little extra formatting.

Steven

Sep 15 2011 at 10:56pm

Nico Westerdale Due to the overwhelming response Bartels Media GmbH has agreed to extend this deal for another day - Enjoy!

BitsDuJour Admin - Sep 16 2011 at 12:00am

Gunnar Bartels @Bob Hughes: No worry, in such rare case of USB stick failure we will gladly reset the license key manually for you.

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 16 2011 at 2:01am

Roberto 20 minutes ago my computer keyboard was totally "dead".

i opened the process manager with the mouse, and PE was using 15% of CPU and around 9mb of RAM.

I killed the process and the keyboard back to response again.

Before the big lock, i was in Google Chrome, and i started a snippet with a word+tab in a web form (just easy snippet).

Im on windows xp sp3... now im fear a little... :-|

Sep 16 2011 at 2:23am

Gunnar Bartels @Steven Avery: As you noted, the free edition is free for personal home use *only*. It must not be used in professional/commercial environments. Please find more information at http://www.phraseexpress....eeware.htm

What is offered here at BdJ is the *Professional* Edition. The free edition, however, is based on the Standard Edition only.

You can find an overview about the PhraseExpress editions at http://shop.phraseexpress.com including videos of the different features if you click on a feature description in the comparison matrix.

With Breevy, you try to compare a one-man part-time hobbyist project with a professional business solution with a track record of 13+ man year development time.

PhraseExpress' unique text prediction feature, networking with a Client-/Server-architecture, advanced phrase selection options, batch editing, support for formatted text, smart unwanted Autotext detection, Typolearn, Rapidtype, reliability measures of loading/saving your data for secured data integrity, etc.

It is really way too much to mention here. Please find a comprehensive feature list at http://www.phraseexpress....atures.htm

Breevy’s current feature set is somehow between PhraseExpress v3 (from 2006!) and v5. You can easily click through the improvements we have implemented into PhraseExpress since then: http://www.phraseexpress.com/new4.htm

If Breevy does all what you believe you could ever need, you should use it and pass on the discount we provide here. However, please be aware, that your requirements may change while you dig into the software.

You may then find yourself paying twice if you realize that you badly need a feature that is not included in any alternative product.

Chances are little that this could happen with PhraseExpress.

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 16 2011 at 2:49am

Gunnar Bartels @Roberto Porcar: This BdJ forum may not be the best place to handle support inquiries as we don't permanently monitor it. Please head over to http://forum.phraseexpress.com where our support staff gladly helps you.

A good start would be http://manual.phraseexpress.com#ts

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 16 2011 at 2:50am

D H I would like to ask concerning Citrix support in Prof edition. Our company uses PowerTerm IBM through Citrix Neigbourhood Agent. Will it work?

Sep 16 2011 at 7:37am

Eddie Tex Just to clarify re: the USB activation process. Even if I decide to migrate my stuff to a newer/faster USB stick in the future, I still have to contact you to reactivate?

Sep 16 2011 at 10:29am

Alan Sawyer No, you can remove the license from your old usb and then go to your new usb and activate the license.
You only have to contact them if the old usb can't be unactivated because it's lost, destroyed or not working.
Alan

Sep 16 2011 at 10:54am

K X This is a link to the manual's section on USB. Be sure to read the part (blue link in that section) which says "Register PhraseExpress."

http://www.phraseexpress....al.htm#usb

Keep in mind "No PhraseExpress must be installed on the host PC if you want to register PhraseExpress running from a USB stick."

"Remove license from PhraseExpress

A license key can only be used for one installation. If you wish to use your license key for another installation, please unbind the license association from the current installation first:

Open the PhraseExpress main program window and select Help - Remove license from this installation."

Then you can activate it on a new USB.

More details are in the manual (the above link).

Sep 16 2011 at 12:06pm

K X I had asked earlier about changing some colors which are black in version 8, but blue in version 7. In case anyone else was wondering, I found that there's a place to customize colors under Settings.

http://www.phraseexpress....s_settings

Sep 16 2011 at 12:12pm

K X @ Eddie

In case you were wondering:

"Multi-language support

PhraseExpress supports Unicode for multi-language phrases and also offers you to switch the keyboard language layout automatically during keyboard input.

This enables multi-language users to use different language within a single phrase with correct display of the characters.

Or you can highlight any text and let PhraseExpress change the language scheme on demand."

Sep 16 2011 at 12:17pm

Eddie Tex @ K X

Good to know. Thank you.

Sep 16 2011 at 1:14pm

K X I just noticed on their website that there's a PhraseExpress newsletter.

http://www.phraseexpress....letter.php

I've bought two previous versions of PhraseExpress on Bits, but haven't been getting the newsletter (I assume that's because it's an "opt-in" newsletter), so I've posted the link in case any other users might not have known about it.

@ D H

I don't have personal experience with Citrix, but I've seen this statement on PhraseExpress site: "If you want to use PhraseExpress on a computer that has a Citrix/TerminalServer and/or -Client installed, please purchase license keys of the Network Edition."

http://www.phraseexpress....9/shop.php

Sep 16 2011 at 2:31pm

Gunnar Bartels @D H: Yes, the Network Edition works fine with Citrix.

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 16 2011 at 4:29pm

Gunnar Bartels @Eddie Tex: Would http://manual.phraseexpre...deregister help?

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 16 2011 at 4:32pm

Eddie Tex Yes. I understand now. Thank you.

Sep 16 2011 at 5:10pm

H. H. Hallo, (@ author)
inbetwen I tried to compare PE8 with TexManager 4 (www.texmanager.de) and think, that Texmanager has some advantages - especially
1. the possibility to slect the hrase within the treestructure and simply inserting them in a word documet via coouble-click or ctrl+w (not only using the tree for oraganizing the phrases)
2. allowing to store formatted text (or is this also possible in PE8 Pro?

Do you plan to make it possibile to directly insert phrases from the tree- database (e.g. via drag&drop or coubleclick or shortcut) in the near future - I think it would be an important improvement for handling hte phrases, since using the right-clickmenu needs more time, when one has a great number of text-phrases.?

Thank you for answering and considering in advance
H.H.

Sep 16 2011 at 9:57pm

Gunnar Bartels @H H: PhraseExpress Professional Edition even allows you to select phrases from a compact *floating* menu that floats on your desktop for quick access. Learn more at http://manual.phraseexpress.com#float

Such floating menu can contain any subfolder for quick access.

The main benefit of this method is that it saves a lot of desktop space. PhraseExpress doest not require to keep a bulky full main program window open like the mentioned Texmanager program which would occupy too much of the desktop space.

Additionally, if you drag & drop phrases out of the tree structure from the opened main program window, PhraseExpress export the phrase folder into the dragged file destination. Exported files can then be re-imported or loaded via drag & drop into any other installation.

This allows you to quickly re-organize yor phrase file or export parts of your phrase file in a snap.

--

Of course, PhraseExpress can store text formatting in HTML, RTF *and* native Word format.

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 17 2011 at 1:05am

SoftCollector @ Gunnar

I bought PE as part of the sale on this price and have been testing it extensively ever since.

It is indeed an interesting piece of software and I like playing around with it. I cannot say it has saved me a lot of time by expanding phrases, since normal writing (and even email drafting) is not as repetitive as one might think, but I did automate beginnings and endings of emails and even created phrases, containing canned responses. It has been fun.

I would also like to propose some changes that I hope the developer will find useful:

1. When phrases are offered they can be inserted by pressing numbers. For some reason, however, the num lock button seems to always be in the wrong position. Maybe PE can switch it on - at least after a fresh restart? Or revert it automatically (as an option) after a configurable period of time?

2. When several phrases a offered it does indeed make sense to press numbers to select and insert them, but when there is only one proposition, it may be better to insert it by pressing Enter, then start looking for the "1".

3. I was a little perplexed by the open and import commands. When 'open' is used it actually erases the custom created phrases. If you have spent a lot of time refining them and have not backed them up, this could turn into a disasters.

Kind Regards,
SC

Sep 21 2011 at 2:38pm

Gunnar Bartels @Softcollector: Thank you for purchasing PhraseExpress.

1. Sounds like a good idea but I can't promise anything at this time. We will check, whether we can add such feature. As far as I know, Windows should remember the last used NumLock state. If not, as a workaround, there may be free utilities to perform the requested feature but I am not sure. Google may help.

2. You can always directly insert the currently highlighted item in a phrase popup with the default confirmation key. I would recommend to set it to the ";" in US keyboard layouts as it is located right next to the ENTER key. Please learn more at http://manual.phraseexpress.com#popup

3. PhraseExpress NEVER deletes your phrases if you just open a new phrase file. However, it unloads the current phrase file and loads the other phrase file, Just like almost any program, e.g. Word. Word does also not delete any previous document just because you "open" a new one. The old phrase file must still be available on your hard disk. Please learn more at http://manual.phraseexpress.com#location

PhraseExpress also creates backups of your phrase file: http://manual.phraseexpress.com#backup

Please send future technical support inquiries directly to http://support.phraseexpress.com as this webpage here is a Software Discount page, not the PhraseExpress support forum. We actually don't monitor this page after a promotion is finished and inquiries may be left unanswered here.

Thank you for your understanding.

Bartels Media GmbH Vendor - Sep 22 2011 at 12:30am

Nico Westerdale Due to the overwhelming response Bartels Media GmbH has agreed to extend this deal for another day - Enjoy!

BitsDuJour Admin - Nov 25 2011 at 12:53am

Ben Does anyone know when this deal will be back again?

Ben

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