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Organize Info Using Searchable Databases

Sure, folders were a great idea back in the day, before we started accumulating hundreds of files. Now, even having a hierarchy of folders doesn't necessarily equate to being organized! It's time to bring your information management to the next level, with TreeProjects!

TreeProjects lets you organize all of your information using freeform, hierarchical, searchable personal databases! With TreeProjects, you'll be able to store text, files, reminders, and a whole host of other data types in a way that makes finding information quickly an easy task. And don't think that such power comes with unnecessary complexity -- all of your data is stored in single, small, portable file that can go wherever you do!

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“I discovered the free version of the Smereka info manager some months ago, and was so impressed by its speed, features and stability that I immediately investigated Smereka TreeProjects. This is clearly a tool designed by somebody who uses it himself on a daily basis: it's very quick, it's very practical and it's very, very stable. One of the things I like to see in any information management product is a powerful search function - one that allows you to search for words in multiple languages and highlights any found key words. Smereka TreeProjects had a couple of minor issues here, so I e-mailed support with some queries. Yaroslav responded immediately, analysing the problem and issuing a new release within a matter of hours. I was delighted - and also delighted by the intelligent, thoughtful way he did it. Smereka TreeProjects has a gratifyingly low system footprint, which means it's easy to run alongside other more demanding applications (which is, I gather, exactly what Yaroslav does). At the same time it's capable of holding an enormous amount of information, which can be exported in various formats. But the import function is one of the most impressive aspects, especially in such a tightly written app: Smereka can monitor a given folder and will automatically import anything you drop into it - Microsoft Office documents, web pages etc. Or you can import web pages by entering their URL directly into an "HTML" note: the web page will be stored locally inside Smereka, and is instantly searchable. Smereka offers six different types of note, including folders, HTML, simple text, rich text, references (links to internal notes) and alarms - and you can add file attachments as well. The program quickly becomes a kind of universal catch-all; combined with a service like DropBox, it allows you to transport valuable information around with you more or less effortlessly. The fact that Yaroslav uses it for his own projects is also reassuring - the program is only at version 1.1.1, but in terms of speed and stability it feels much more mature than that version number suggests. Now I'm looking forward to the network version! ”- Bill Maslen, CIO, The Word Gym Ltd.
“In November 2010 I started using Smereka as my main personal knowledge application after a quick stability and growth test. Untill then I was using PersonalBrain as my main knowledge tool and was testing also Dokuwiki as a possible solution. In my daily work (BI consultant in a Healthcare IT firm) I have lots of small pieces of information (mail, webpages, pieces of documents, ect) that I need to save quickly and can very easy retrieve without depending on a tree structure. The search in Smereka (including attachments) is super-fast and in combination with the "Search on title"-function I can find any piece of information within seconds. My Smereka Treeprojects database is currently about 170Mb large (including attachments). It is very ease to add all kinds of attachments (by using the special folder monitoring) and text (using the "insert clipboard to new item" function). These are my two most favorite functions. Besides being able to quickly save and retrieve items I insisted on a solution that was very light on the computers resources and also very fast to start and use. Right now when writing this review smereka.exe is using only a little more then 11Mb and it responds very quick. Starting time is so fast (1-2 seconds) that I close Smereka between uses and just start it again when I need it. The developer is responsive and is constantly improving on the quality of the software. Because the search functionality is very good I only just recently started to use the tag function. I have only a few tags (todo and levels of priority) but it is working good. That being said there are a few rough edges. The last tree-item and tree-sorting should be saved on closing and I really miss a simple way to define relationships between items. But overall the application is very easy to use and fulfills the needs I have for knowledge gathering en retrieval. Try it and you won't be disappointed.”- Jeroen, The Netherlands

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Michael K @Yaroslav Pidstryhach - Vendor

I have bought a lot of software promoted on Bits based on other members' experiences and reviews. One of the people whose opinions I have a lot of respect for is Roberto and he has posted favorably on your software.

In view of Roberto's comments, I decide to look more closely and see from your website that Tree Projects was first launched in March 2011 with version 1.

Tree Projects progressed with various updates from March to reach version 1.1.5 which was released in Oct 2011. The following month on 9 November, you released V2.0 and I have some observations to make as a result.

Your support policy states:
Upgrades to future versions of the software will be free for minor versions only.
Support is provided up to when the next major version is released.

As I mentioned, your first release of Tree Projects was in March and only went to version 1.1.5 before making the leap to version 2 a few months later.

This period to a major and therefore paid release is rather short as far as I am concerned and particularly given that it only reached v1.1.5 in any event.

Now Tree Project is on version 2.4 and I am wondering how long before I'd need to pay again in order to keep current with your software in case another paid upgrade is on it's way.in a short time.

Could you also please say what Tree Projects upgrade costs are, as this together with the length of time between paid upgrades, is part of my decision making thinking when I consider moving to new software.

Thanks

Michael

Feb 13 at 4:01am

Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi Michael,

Version 2.0, released November 2011, was a free upgrade. Version 3.0 (planned this summer) will be a free upgrade. There *may* be a paid upgrade when there is a very big step forward that will redefine TreeProjects - for example, a distributed/collaborative version. This is why I didn't choose the "Free upgrades for life" item. But I think that won't happen sooner than at least a year or two from now.

I revisited my product page and discovered there was a setting that matched the above policy much better. So thanks for asking.

Yaroslav

Smereka TreeProjects Vendor - Feb 13 at 5:01am

Roberto The term “eating your own dogfood,” in the software industry, means using the code you’re developing for your own daily needs: basically, being a user as well as a developer, so the user empathy that is the hallmark of good software comes automatically.

There are words from Joel Spolsky that I think define Treeprojects too. Its improved "everyday" because the developer use it in his "own daily needs".

I think you will like it Michael K. :)

Feb 13 at 6:39am

Michael K @ Yaroslav & Roberto

Thank you both - I am now much reassured and will be buying Tree Projects.

I am well satisfied that I am buying a good product from an ethical and interested developer

Thanks Roberto, I always look forward to your input which is much appreciated.

However Roberto, can you please help me explain to my wife that I am buying yet another piece of software on your recommendation ;-)

Thanks

Michael

Feb 13 at 7:35am

Jean Sibe What would you consider advantages for TreeProjects vs Ultra Recall?

Feb 13 at 7:38am

Roberto Michael K: maybe we have to buy a great valentine present for them.

Feb 13 at 8:19am

Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi Jean Sibe,

Of course as the author I'll be biased here, but I find two areas where TreeProjects seems to be better than other PDBs/PIMs, including UltraRecall: the speed and the ease of use. I went to great lengths to ensure that the user interface was responsive, free from excessive flicker and optimal with respect to CPU cycles. Also, I always try to design the UI to be as simple and expressive as possible, so that, ideally, the user can begin working without consulting the help file. Despite some known usability issues that still need to be ironed out, I feel I succeeded making TreeProjects faster, simpler, and generally more pleasant to work with than most other similar products, according to my own experience and to some of the user feedback.

To speak about the most important advantages of TreeProjects versus UltraRecall:

- UltraRecall doesn't seem to index files as aggressively as TreeProjects. After I include a cyrillic Word file in an UltraRecall database, the file doesn't come up in search results when I search for words in the file. In TreeProjects, this will work.

- UltraRecall doesn't preview stored files. TreeProjects has one-click preview for PDF, Office, image and other types of files (Office files can even be edited inline), similarly to built-in text items.

- TreeProjects has a special "Email message" item type that allows to preview the contents of a stored email message, as well as do basic things with it. UltraRecall treats stored email messages as generic files.

- Although UltraRecall has tabs, you can't arrange the opened items like this: http://personaldatabase.o...eral_2.png

I might have missed something important, because I am not very familiar with UltraRecall. And, of course, UR also has features that TreeProjects doesn't.

Smereka TreeProjects Vendor - Feb 13 at 9:05am

Michael K @ Jean

With regard to your question concerning Ultra Recall, all I can say is that I read many good things about it on Bits and downloaded the trial. Personally, I found it very difficult to use and not as intuitive as modern software so often is.these days.

The following is an extract from an e-mail I wrote to the developer and he did respond in a helpful way but I found my experience with the program too painful to continue with it and I did not purchase it.

Extract from my e-mail to the developer of Ultra Recall::

..."Having had the Ultra Recall trial for several days it has taken me from 0 - 100 in terms of frustration at lightening speed to the point where I actually Googled "Ultra Recall Alternatives" this morning.

Yor softwware is full of exciting promise in terms of functionality but I am finding it impossible to realize it's potentional and I so much want to be able to use the best it has to offer.

I wrote a request in the forum for instructional videos to which you pointed me to some you've already done. I looked at them and tried to do some pretty basic stuff without any success whatsoever. For example, I tried this morning to rename a Journal Item's Title and became overwhelmingly frustrated at not being able to. I could note find a way of it just saying "1", "2" "3" without making it a text document. When it was a "journal" info item it defaulted to the date and time it was created for the title . I added the "Item Title" attribute but it did not pick that up and so it made me feel the effort in trying to work out such simple things was just not worth it."

Your experience may be different to mine and you could test drive the trial as I did and make your own judgement. For my part, I'll buy Tree Projects although I must confess to not having tried the trial yet but if I run in to trouble with that, there's always Roberto or Yaroslav to shout "HELP" to ;-)

Thanks

Michael

Feb 13 at 9:53am

Neil Shapiro It lookks interesting...I'm trying the demo. Overall it works very well, responsive, and not cumbersome.

Constructive Criticism:

1) the file view isn't quite as good as just storing in the file system. For example, if I store JPEGs in the file system I can see a whole folder full of thumbnails at once. I don't see how to do this in Treeprojects yet.

2) the web capture facility is a bit inconvenient relative to other solutions I have tried -- notably Evernote. With Evernote, I can capture any webpage (in chrome) and have it immediately stored in the datatbase, just by selecting a menu that's part of the evernote plugin for chrome. And in my quick tests, it had no problem capturing a page from Google Docs, whereas Treeprojects was unable to (probably because Google Docs is not "ordinary HTML". Here I also tried drag and drop of a URL to the app and it doesn't work in treeProjects, as file drag and drop does.

3) What would make me buy this in a second would be a well integrated outliner--or better still, the revamping of the tree into an Ecco like outliner. If you don't know what Ecco is, it's an ancient app from the 1990s that is orphaned, but still has a large user base, and they are hungry for an "as good" replacement taking Ecco forward into the 21st century--including sync to mobile devices. Integrate some of the user interface principles and features of Ecco here, and you will have a "cult-like" following, as Ecco still does (check out the Ecco group in Yahoo).

Note I have no affiliation with any product mentioned above.

Feb 13 at 10:23am

Neil Shapiro Follow up...I just discovered you can drag and drop a URL to an existing web note, and it imports the page (at least "ordinary HTML pages).

HOWEVER: it's not a convenient way to store pages, because you first have to:

1) Create a web page node/note
2) Cancel out of the URL dialog
3) Then drag and drop to the empty note

It should just let you drop the URL on the tree, and automatically create the node like it does for Files.

Feb 13 at 11:04am

Yaroslav Pidstryhach Neil, thanks for the suggestions. Drag-n-drop improvements are in fact scheduled for one of the nearest versions. The goal is to enable dropping URLs, text, and various data objects *to* the TreeProjects tree, as well as dragging text and files *from* various areas of TreeProjects.

Smereka TreeProjects Vendor - Feb 13 at 11:56am

Peter Gabriel -' Although UltraRecall has tabs, you can't arrange the opened items like this: http://personaldatabase.o...eral_2.png'

That's one of the reasons why I'll be buying.

Feb 13 at 2:04pm

M B Anyone that can help....

I am not sure, but is this like an updated NoteFrog that was just offered on Bits recently?

This looks like a nice program and am very interested.

Feb 13 at 4:06pm

Pavi Johnson Hi, just a quick comment so that toes are not stepped on:

UltraRecall does allow preview of stored files, such as PDF, pictures and office documents. They (like all items) have their own node, and in options the file type must be included (under "browser"). I use it to edit word documents inline so that all my research is handy.

It also has forms that are pre-built for email, and .msg and .eml files always use this. I can't speak to the indexing.

Please don't misconstrue my comments as being pro UltraRecall and against TreeProjects - as Yaroslav said, both have strengths. The ability to arrange windows is a strong benefit of TreeProjects, as is the rapid development. I haven't used it other than to demo, but this may be the time I support development.

Best, /Pavi

Feb 14 at 12:31am

Yaroslav Pidstryhach Thank you, Pavi. I will edit my comment above to reflect the information you provided.

Follow-up: unfortunately, older comments cannot be edited.

Smereka TreeProjects Vendor - Feb 14 at 12:44am

tom drake Pavi already covered the preview and editing in UR, as for the indexing of Cyrillic doc it could have been a bug - I don't depend on this feature but I believe I have encountered some problems related to indexing of non-ASCII (eg. Eastern European encodings) items in UR couple of years ago.
Also, documents are indexed only in pro version of UR, they are not searchable in standard version.

What are nice advantages of TreeProjects over UR (unless I have missed something), not mentioned yet:
- tags - it has more powerful and user friendlier handling of tags
- versioning - you can keep multiple versions of same document
- portability - UR only has pro version portable (if that's of any significance)

Feb 14 at 5:19am

K X I like TreeProjects and there have been a lot of excellent, positive enhancements since it was previously on Bits du Jour. It's very elegant. Since I have so many imported documents (rtf, pdf) in my TreeProjects databases, the top feature of Ultra Recall that I'd like to see implemented in some way in TreeProjects is to make the Date Created for these items visible or accessible somehow within TreeProjects. And then be able to sort items by Date Created in addition Date Modified.

And a Properties window or something similar to Ultra Recall's "Item Attributes" that lets you click on an item and see some key information including Date Modified and Date Created.

Feb 14 at 8:49pm

Yaroslav Pidstryhach K X, thanks for the suggestions, this functionality is planned and is in the issue tracker. (I should say I receive a lot of great suggestions from the users and the backlog is already considerable.)

By the way, please note that some item attributes can be shown as tree columns like this: http://personaldatabase.o...ibutes.png . Please go to the Settings dialog, Display page to enable this mode.

Smereka TreeProjects Vendor - Feb 15 at 4:43am

M B I am trying out the program and would like to make a suggestion.

I added several items to a new database, and then did a search for an item.
The title was AceMoney and I searched for Ace but Treeprojects did not find anything.
I had to fully type in Acemoney in order for the program to locate what I was looking for.

Is it possible to have it search and find all occurrences of "Ace" for example and not have to match the entire string?

Thanks

Feb 15 at 5:06am

Yaroslav Pidstryhach M B: yes, it is possible, just append an asterisk to your search query: "Ace*". By the way, this is the default mode for the "Quick find by title" facility.

Smereka TreeProjects Vendor - Feb 15 at 5:09am

K X Yaroslav, Thanks for the tip about the display mode for item attributes.

Feb 15 at 6:32am

Michael R. Is there a way to access TreeProjects from outside, e.g. via a C++-API or at least command-line-arguments to add / get / remove and analyze items inside my database?

Feb 15 at 11:43pm

Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi Michael, Currently there's no way to script TreeProjects. However, there is a plugin system for adding own item types, export-import operations, and general extensions. In fact, all the built-in item types and export-import operations are implemented as plugins. If there is demand for the API, I will prepare and publish the SDK.

Smereka TreeProjects Vendor - Feb 15 at 11:54pm

Michael R. Hi Yaroslaw and thanks for the fast answer.

I really would prefer an API, probablly because it would be possible to write main-programs which would allow - beside other things - to save information into a TreeProject-file, i.e. would support TreeProjects, but is not too much bounded to TP.

A confirmed (free) API would make me buy your tool today ;-) (even, if I had bought other programs over the last months).

Btw.: I have not found any information about the plugins. Do you have a web-address where they are described?

Thanks a lot...

Feb 16 at 1:04am

Yaroslav Pidstryhach Michael, since the SDK is not published yet, there is not much info about the plugin system available (it would not be useful without a possibility to actually use the infrastructure). So I am currently the only user of the plugin API :-)

The demand for a programming interface is currently very low, unlike the demand for user-oriented features, so, unfortunately, I cannot promise that TreeProjects will become programmable very soon. Anyway, thanks for asking!

Smereka TreeProjects Vendor - Feb 16 at 1:30am

Tore Hoyem I purchased TreeProjects the last time around, and I'm very happy with it.
Yaroslav is also very responsive to suggestions and bug reports.

Recommended.

Feb 16 at 1:54am

M B Is it possible to have the program display each file/item as you arrow down the list automatically? As it works now you have to click on each item in a list to make it display in the right-hand window.

It would be much faster to have it automatically display each file as the cursor is moved through the list of files/items.

Thanks

Feb 16 at 4:00am

Yaroslav Pidstryhach @ M B,

This is intentional. Some items can be heavy to open, and any open item consumes memory. Since in most cases keyboard navigation is used to reach a specific item without opening all the other items on the way, you have to click (or press Enter) if you want to open a specific item.

Note that Enter will switch the focus to the item, removing it from the tree, but F5 will return the focus back to the tree.

Smereka TreeProjects Vendor - Feb 16 at 4:14am

Michael K good morning - I'm a buyer thanks to this great conversation and I hope some of the excellent suggestions will find their way into the program in the near future.

Thanks

Michael

Feb 16 at 4:39am

Don Goddard TreeProjects looks like it has a lot of powerful features. Is there a way to share TreeProject databases without violating copyrights and that doesn't allow editing of the file? For example, Treepad has a viewer program that allows you to send the file to another person so they can navigate through data and search it.

Thanks.

Don

Feb 16 at 4:52am

Yaroslav Pidstryhach Don,

At the moment, there is no separate TreeProjects viewer, and there is no way to prevent others from changing published database files.

Smereka TreeProjects Vendor - Feb 16 at 4:59am

Don Goddard Yaroslav,

Your tag capability makes TreeProjects very temping. I do research and would like to include a full citation (author, journal, year, abstract) as one of the tree elements. Tagging these elements as "citation" could alert me to the fact I included a citation. That could be very useful to me. I am not as concerned about somone changing the database but occasionally have a need to share information. I assume that I your copyright would allow me to share a database provided the other party has also has a licensed copy of TreeProjects? An alternative would be the capacity to export the data as csv (at least for text data). Thanks for the quick reply. Don

Feb 16 at 8:56am

VLM I don't mean to sound like the village idiot, but at the risk of doing so ...

Does TreeProjects, well utilized, essentially become a very advanced replacement for Windows Explorer ... and for all it's knock-offs, such as Directory Opus, Total Commander, XYplorer, and the like?

Feb 16 at 9:41am

Yaroslav Pidstryhach Don,

You own the copyright to the databases you create. This is granted by copyright law to you as the author. And the license agreement of TreeProjects does not in any way invalidate your rights.

Smereka TreeProjects Vendor - Feb 16 at 9:47am

Software Guy Just a few comments here about tags and file viewers and sharing databases. Although there are many notes software titles, and each has its strengths and weaknesses, it is tough to find one that has everything - I know because I constantly monitor these packages. Though I have not personally tried Tree Projects, it looks to be a worthy competitor especially based on some favorable reviews. And the developers in general really do try their best to add features that they have determined useful from their customer feedback. After all, it is their product and they take the greatest pride in what they have developed. So I tend not to directly compare similar software because the developers may have had different priorities in mind. Light, fast and easy is different from full featured but no less valid.
The point I wish to make is that sometimes two different programs might be better suited to your needs than one, and maybe sometimes even a third. For example I use notezilla to tag just about everything from web pages to documents to files. The database can be searched and shared, and it is also just great for reminders. And I like custom icons within the base notes program which can be assigned to a file or groups of files or folders - like a specially colored folder with numbers over it to help to quickly associate files. The similar colors indicate the general topic, and the numbers and letters indicate the subtopic - especially helpful for writing books, papers and general research. When you only have a few files it doesn't matter much, but when you acquire a database of thousands of notes/files it really makes a difference.
And for file viewing i will use fast and light file managers which allow multipane viewing almost as fast as my mouse scrolls past the icons.
Also, I might use as many as 3 different notes software programs on 1 computer because each has its advantages for the job, from minipad2 (a freebie for 32 bit systems) to some of the similar full featured note/project/tree/database software titles as tree projects featured here. They all work well for their intended uses, but sometimes they really work even better when combined with 1 or 2 other pieces of software. This is all just food for thought, because the two issues presented here, file viewing and file tagging are what I tend to think of as 'tradeoff' issues where speed and size are traded for convenience. And do everything programs just tend to get heavy in terms of speed and memory usage. And, based on the reviews, it looks like Tree Projects is quite capable and has a solid, happy following.

Feb 16 at 9:49am

Yaroslav Pidstryhach VLM,

file managers do not store files - they simply list them, and allow to do stuff with them. Personal databases, on the contrary, do store information - so when you add a file to a database, it will stay there, even when the original file is deleted. Moreover, in TreeProjects, a "file" item is one of the several item types, like reminders or email messages.

Please visit http://personaldatabase.org/how-it-works for a discussion on how a personal database differs from file storage.

Smereka TreeProjects Vendor - Feb 16 at 9:56am

Steven Avery Hi Folks,

MyBase I think has the "export to friend who has the free viewer" module.

Overall, TreeProjects (sweet), MyBase (maybe a tad more on sophistication, been around many years) and Rightnote (coming soon to Bits) seem to be the "notch above" in note with some data capabilities.

Software guy is right. You might find one better for a research project with quotes and citations (presuming you don't want a special package for that, in advanced cases) while another might be much better for PIM stuff, another much better for that general on-the-fly create and find notes stuff. Also the web-cllpping question comes to play.

If you get the discount, any of those 3 programs have huge potential. In my case I plan to grab TreeProjects today (we have been discussing it on DonationCoder, the nice parts of it I am not going into here) and let time sort out the exact use. The big Bits discount makes this approach possible.

In earlier days I had used Keynote-NF and TreeDBNotes, and both are still fine, in their own way. RightNote is a direct replacement, with discount, for TreeDBNotes, which is very nice in its own way. Another one that intriques me is WhizFolders. After that, there are a few dozen others, some very good,.

As a general advice, I do not think anybody can go wrong with the 3 I mention at top, using Bits discounts. And TreeProjects may be the best in terms of developer responsiveness. Although a forum, even Yahoogroups or googlegroups if a webforum is too much hassle, would be nice.

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Here is one Donationcoder discussion.
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(Note I also recommend ListPro and Swift To-Do, in related but different realms).

Steven

Feb 16 at 10:40am

Don Goddard Yaroslav,

Thanks for the clarification. I was thinking you used a proprietary database format. However, I found on your features page it uses SQLlite. That definitely makes TreeProjects more "sharable". Great job!

Feb 16 at 10:41am

Yaroslav Pidstryhach Steven: MyBase, if I'm not mistaken, can even convert a database to a standalone exe file.

Smereka TreeProjects Vendor - Feb 16 at 10:56am

Yaroslav Pidstryhach It is now nighttime in my time zone. I will resume responding to new comments in several hours. Thanks!

Smereka TreeProjects Vendor - Feb 16 at 12:42pm

M B *Snip* Got it to work

Feb 16 at 2:58pm

VLM Thank you, Yaroslav.

So a personal database, such as TreeProjects, basically does everything a file manager does and much more ... in that sense, it sounds like a full replacement.

I guess what I'm asking is this: one were simply to load all one's files into a project such as TreeProjects, could one potentially say "goodbye" to file managers?

What do others think, on this question?

Feb 16 at 5:44pm

tom drake VLM: You could get rid of file managers for the purpose of managing documents.
However you'll still need file manager if you need to start executable, install some portable software, and so on - ie . to manage anything that's not a document.

what about an application such as AllMyNotes ... similar to
NoteZilla, perhaps? How does something like this compare

The only way is to
1. decide what you are looking for
2. decide whether TreeProjects meets the criteria
if unsure about 1 or 2, download and install all programs you can find in this category, test for a month, then decide which fits your way of working and personality best

There is no best program. For me, best one would be a combination of UR, Treeprojects, Zoot and Keynote or Rightnote and perhaps MyInfo.

I have purchased TreeProjects today, because for such low price I can justify using it even when I already have similar software, just for a couple of nice features it has.

Feb 16 at 6:17pm

Neil Shapiro VLM - Not at all. Your PC/Mac has a file system that all your programs recognize. They won't store them in this database, nor update them. You need the file manager to manage those files.

This database is in a sense, a secondary file system, that requires that you import and export before you use it in other programs.

With Windows file manager, and other great programs like Directory Opus, the file system works very well like a database, and gives you a universally supported storage system. The thumbnails that Explorer and these program will show give you a visual index of a folder. Plus with long file names, you can encode a fair amount of descriptive information in a file name (or in file "metadata" like EXIF and IPTC fields).

As far as search and retrieval, there are many programs that do that too, without needing to store those files in a secondary file system. The free program Search Everything is a great way to find your files in microseconds just by typing part of the name. There are other free programs like Google Desktop that can index them and search by the contents.

Not that this program doesn't have uses...I use Evernote, a similar program to this one, to capture web pages and allow me to search through them, while retaining links to the real data on the internet. I don't store my many picture files in there though...because I want them to be "ready to use"--ready to open up in a program like Photoshop.

I'm not saying this program isn't useful, just that replacing your file system isn't a "use" for it!

Feb 16 at 6:27pm

Software Guy VLM,

I do not recommend what you are asking to do.. To shed some light on this, let me explain - first, notezilla can tag filesor documents or websites with notes; there are other tagging software like Tabbles that tag and group files to make them easier to find. Also, notezilla is a sticky note reminder program. Hott notes are similar and free but with less function - they are great for short notes and reminders.
Next are the notes programs. Minipad2 is free and the smallest of the type. Next is allmynotes, which is a freeform notes program. It basically allows you to set up a tree of metafiles and folders, much like TreeProjects. Many other note programs fall into this model like treenotes evernotes, texnotes, allmynotes and others. PIMs usually follow this model also. Each tree keeps the meta files stored in a single database. Some note programs are tabbed and allow each tab to hold a different set of metafiles and each tab is its own file.
Now I like the database model for related types ofdata or small files, like research notes, or book chapters, or class notes. But when one starts dealing with a large number of items, I still prefer separate files. And files as you know are stored in folders and searched using file managers. And there are some quick and light file managers like xyplorer or explorer2. Now some people will use tabs to allow appending notes to files or to 'relate' groups of files. Vista and mac osX allow direct tagging of most files. Otherwise you need a tagging program like tabbles or notezilla to do the tabbing for you. There are a whole number of tagging programs.
TreeProjects is a freeform notes program which uses a database model as the base setup as opposed to a free file as the base setup. there are advantages and disadvantages to this approach but the note programs generally use this approach. TreeProjects uses tabs to relate the metafiles within its structure. Allmynotes is a simple light version and texnotes is a heavy duty version as examples. And PIM style organizers use this approach internally as do book writing software.
Now file managers deal with fully seoarate files. the beauty is that is the same format as the operating system, and each file can be easily manipulated by file maanagers.
So, you really need a file manager for file manipulation no matter what. then if you have a number of related notes as in a book or for reseach. you may find this format of tree projects or other note programs useful. but a relational datbase is usually not such a good place to store lots of files, so they do not really replace file managers.
And you might want a separate tagging program to help group files if the number of files and folders gets to be quite large.

So a file manager and the the notes program are different things. And tagging or using sticky notes is just a helpful way to group or add reminders
.
This is a space constrained explanation but I hope that it helps. If you need more help I can add some more info but most likely tomorrow. Thanks.

Feb 16 at 6:28pm

Steven Avery I just want to compliment Yaroslav. Not only are his responses excellent, he is even willing to point out a good feature on a competitor's product (although I am not sure that MyBase makes an .exe for viewing)

One of the best author response folks we have seen on Bits.

Steven

Feb 16 at 6:41pm

VLM Steven - Ditto! Yaroslav, brilliant day, truly!! (Again :)

Torn Drake & Software Guy - THANK YOU!!! VERY MUCH!!!

I bought the software ... a decision, YAAY!

Software Guy, if you feel willing tomorrow, yes, I would like to explore one aspect of your comments a bit further. Several times, you've named NoteZilla as your ace tool for tagging files. By this, do you mean tagging, as, in effect, assigning keywords/descriptors to files, where you've created a (however formalized) tag naming convention and hierarchy for yourself? (Sorry for the convoluted sentence.)

I have purchased AllMyNotes but not used it much yet. So I'm going to have to figure out what to use for what, as several people have described already. I guess I was looking for that "perfect program" that would do everything, including things I haven't yet thought of doing. LOL at myself for that.

Cheers!

Feb 16 at 9:51pm

Jan-Christoph Ihrens @Steven Avery: See http://www.wjjsoft.com/my...ml#H2_4425 regarding the .exe feature. :)

Feb 16 at 10:38pm

Software Guy VLM - good to hear that you bought Tree Projects. It really looks to be an excellent choice, and the developer has been great.
on tagging files, there are a number of file tagging programs and you must try a few to see which you like. Tabbles offered here on BDJ comes to mind and there are others. I like Notezilla because it does so many things, including adding notes to files and documents. And you can tag files in Vista as part of the OS, but that feature was not carried to win7.
Finally you likely need a good file manger. Picking one is a matter of personal choice. I use xyplorer, powerdesk, explorer2 and directory opus on various computers. Each has its strengths - depends what you want to do. And there are others like total commander and acbrowser which you may want to check out. Free commander is a good free managre which I include on my usb drives should I need it - remember portable apps do not require installation on the host computer, which makes them very convenient if you might need to do things on another's computer..
Hope some of this info is helpful to you. Good luck.

Feb 18 at 7:13am

VLM Thanks so much Software Guy, you are a treasure! Yes, this adds to my understanding! I like the idea of tagging files, so that files in unrelated directories can be, well, related. I have not done that before and will await a promotion here for NoteZilla, Tabbles, or the like.

Have a great day!

Feb 18 at 10:50am

Richard Elliott I am interested in this software but just missed the deal. Is there any estimate when it might return?

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