Total Uninstall 5 PC Software with a 50% off Discount Coupon Code - Completely Removes All Application Traces

Pedro Laurent Hello can ypu please explain the difference between Total Unistall 5 and Revo Unistaller Pro? What are the advantages of your software that Revo Unistaller Pro doesn’t have since you offer the standard and Pro edition. Thank you

Aug 1 2011 at 5:44am

Zsolt B. is it possible to extend discount to upgrade as well?

@Perdo: Revo has only one advantage, the real-time monitoring. It is unique, but you cannot control the process, you cannot check what is actually monitored..Total Uninstall is cleverer interface, and you can control uninstall a far better. You have more options to do it than in Revo. Personally, Revo is too simple for me, so I have been a happy user of TU for years. Regarding real time monitoring, it is not enough against TU. I'm pretty sure, Gavrila would develop it as a more useful feature.

Aug 2 2011 at 2:56am

M B I am wondering when the next version will be coming out. I read the older posts and see that it was still version 5 back in 2009, and wanted to make sure the program will still be receiving updates into the future.

Will purchasing through the Bits offer include a free upgrade to version 6?

Thank you

Aug 2 2011 at 4:42am

Patrick N Revo contains much extra fluff - Hunter Mode, Autorun Manager, Junk Cleaner & Windows Tools. (Do you need it?)

Total Uninstall is more distinct & quicker moreover TU's scanner engine is unmatched in speed. Total Uninstall can backup your programs thus restoring your programs to previous state keeping usersettings & licensing. I often use TU's monitored mode exporting such changes from registry & licensing hence installing & adjusting takes to much of my precious time.
For those Installing/Updating frequently many programs this is the perfect program or if you restore your PC often you will find Total Uninstall extremely useful using TU's Backup/Restore feature.

Total Uninstall does not have DRM - Revo has DRM.

Gavrila Martau is quick implementing features/requests which may seem good from end user perspective, version 6 is due for release but date is not set but I'm pretty sure a purchase today would qualify hence policy is 12 months.

A must have program - Super Cheap - Super Fast - Super Useful - Simply.. Super Duper

Aug 2 2011 at 5:35am

Gavrila Martau 1.1. Real-time monitoring is not always an advantage. If the install process include a reboot, then the monitoring process is ruined or at least incomplete.
1.2. The TU analysis algorithm for already installed programs (not monitored) is superior compared with the after uninstall scan from revo. TU has won several real tests published in specialized magazines.
1.3. You can play with different analysis levels before starting the uninstall process so you will know which one is the best. In revo you can find that the selected scan level is too aggresive or is insufficient when is too late.
1.4. If you have two or more programs installed in the same folder revo will uninstall both or will damage the other program if you don't pay attention to the listed items.
1.5. Revo will not continue the uninstall process if the build in uninstaller reboot the computer (so will not help you)... and the list can continue.
2. We don't offer upgrades at BDJ.
3. One year maintenance policy includes free updates and upgrades so, will include the version 6 major release for free.

Gavrila Martau Vendor - Aug 2 2011 at 6:22am

Tomasz Burger @ Pedro Laurent - For me biggest advantage TU has over Revo is that in TU you can actually see what changes were made in file system®istry by each of installed programs.

I've been using TU for more than 15 months (purchased it here) and I must say it's an excellent piece of software. Support is quick, new features are implemented on regular basis, upgrade policy is very user-friendly (updates/upgrades for 1Y and after maintenance period expired you have another 12 months to renew license with -50% discount). After my request I also got from Gavrila - for FREE - TU4 file/serial that I could install under Win98 (I use it as a second OS).

Aug 2 2011 at 11:22am

DrTeeth Whilst I do not like the use of hardware footprints* I do not mind them if I can install as many times as I wish, be it either from reinstalling the OS, or as in my case, multi-booting.

1 install per footprint is a deal killer.

*I always worry what would happen if the authentication server went off line for any reason. heard about the M.Y.O.B. saga here in the UK?

Aug 2 2011 at 2:32pm

Vanessa N Hello Gavrila,

I am wondering if the discount will apply to family pack or multiple license packs? I have a desktop and a laptop and would like to have Total Install on both.

I also need to do a clean install of Windows 7 on my current desktop, so I should probably wait to install Total Install until I do so? Not sure how annoying the hardware footprint issue will be? I have to reinstall the OS as a nasty virus left it a little diminished a few months, and haven't gotten around to doing a clean install yet. Which I imagine may happen yet again if I am unlucky. (I generally am lucky enough not to have virus issues, though).

Thanks so much~

Aug 2 2011 at 3:05pm

VLM I"ve been a Revo Pro user and so I'm very interested to read this discussion. I'm implementing a new Win7 install, have not yet installed any software, and Revo WAS going to be the first thing I installed. But now, my head is being turned.

In my experience:

1. It's true, Revo has a lot of junk that is better provided in CCleaner, Eraser, etc.

2. It's true, Revo, can be OH SO SLOW at times. (Of course, I've been running on an older machine, so ....)

3. It's true, I've have gotten into trouble when 2 programs were installed inside the same folder, and I have found Revo's set of options rather limited. I absolutely never really feel like I know what's about to happen or what has happened.

So ... I am listening!!! Gavrila, I'm particularly grateful for your including the version 6 upgrade, and I'm eagerly awaiting your response on whether the multiple-license packs are included in this promotion.

Also, is this promotion for the standard version, pro, or both?

Aug 2 2011 at 7:10pm

VLM Oh, I've always wondered about application updates in Revo, so I'll ask here about TU ... how does the Installation Monitor handle application updates?

For example, suppose I use TU to monitor my installation of Adobe Acrobat version X.0. (I know, yuck, but everyone recognizes it. :) That is straightforward enough (and thanks for your EXCELLENT documentation! :)

Then over time, Acrobat wants to update to version X.1, then X.2, etc. But Acrobat has its own internal update manager, as many programs do. How would one handle this using TU?

Thanks!

Aug 2 2011 at 7:15pm

Gavrila Martau 1. We offer here with 50% discount the Single and Family pack, both editions: Standard and Pro.
2.The limitation is not exactly 1 footprint per license (I just selected the license option at BDJ that was available and matches in some degree with the license). Please read the available pdf file with the license. Anyway, a family pack cover better a computer that is often reinstalled (more than 10 times per year). The online check is not mandatory (you can register true offline computers, with no firewall installed), and we have two different servers who are tried in case one is offline.
3.Upgrading a program is handled like a normal install with the difference that the result is merged in the initial installation log. The merge is done automatically if you select the "Update" action instead "Install" or can be done manually in a dedicated dialog.

Gavrila Martau Vendor - Aug 2 2011 at 10:10pm

Vanessa N Thanks for the reply, although I'm still slightly confused. If I have a desktop and a laptop, not used concurrently, how many licenses do I need/which option should I buy?

Looking forward to making a purchase soon~

Aug 2 2011 at 10:14pm

VLM Thanks for your reply. I am also a bit confused by this one:

3.Upgrading a program is handled like a normal install with the difference that the result is merged in the initial installation log. The merge is done automatically if you select the "Update" action instead "Install" or can be done manually in a dedicated dialog.

So if I am working in Acrobat X, and up pops a dialog saying that a new version/update is available, OR if I choose Help Find Updates and discover an update available, do I then go over to TU, turn on the update action (as you describe, above), then go back into Acrobat and click in their updater to start the update process?

Aug 2 2011 at 10:50pm

VLM Also, I don't understand this:

The online check is not mandatory (you can register true offline computers, with no firewall installed), and we have two different servers who are tried in case one is offline.

Does this mean I can install the program, enter the key, and run the program without any online check? (That would be very nice, of course.)

Aug 2 2011 at 10:51pm

VLM I think Vanessa wants to know whether the license is per user or per computer.

Aug 2 2011 at 10:52pm

Gavrila Martau VLM: Yes, you can install, register and use the computer on an offline computer. Note that a running firewall will trigger the mandatory online key validation. With a running firewall the computer is not considered offline.
The family license is appropriate for a desktop and a laptop configuration. Licensing is per computer, with a flexibility that allows reinstall, license move, dual-boot or an extra virtual machine( http://www.martau.com/tot...l-eula.pdf )

Gavrila Martau Vendor - Aug 2 2011 at 11:18pm

Tomasz Burger Gavrila,
I'm registered user of TU5 (single license), my maintenance period expired 3 months ago. If I want to switch to PRO version I have to: 1) renew license ($15), upgrade to PRO ($11) - total cost is $26. But I can also use BTJ incoming deal and purchase PRO version for $20. Am I right? If yes and I'll purchase new license - is it somehow possible to switch serials that I have ale my registration data without change and not new license for new user? In other words is it possible that I purchase new license for PRO but from you I’ll get renew + upgrade keys.

Aug 2 2011 at 11:18pm

Gavrila Martau Renew the license to PRO on the program site (from any edition or license type):$20. The renewal is an opportunity for a discounted license upgrade/downgrade to single pro: $20, family std: $20, family pro: $25.

Gavrila Martau Vendor - Aug 2 2011 at 11:33pm

DrTeeth I have just read the licence PDF and it does not clarify the number of installs allowed on a single PC, it does not even mention a limit.

DrT

Aug 3 2011 at 1:24am

Gavrila Martau See the definition for COMPUTER. The limits depends of license type; single, family. The installs are counted as one as long as the computer ID is the same.

Gavrila Martau Vendor - Aug 3 2011 at 2:11am

VLM Thanks Gavrila for your responses to various questions, and for providing the license document. I remain curious about this question, from above:

So if I am working in Acrobat X, and up pops a dialog saying that a new version/update is available, OR if I choose Help Find Updates and discover an update available, do I then go over to TU, turn on the update action (as you describe, above), then go back into Acrobat and click in their updater to start the update process?

Thanks!

Aug 3 2011 at 5:52am

DrTeeth Great news, downloading for a test drive now.
I am wary of activation systems. Against my better judgement, I bought a program that used online activation/DRM. 24 hours after buying the program, my code was rejected as fake.

Aug 3 2011 at 2:52pm

DrTeeth Very good first impression. Not uninstalled anything yet, but I like the way that the program can analyse an install and display the data.

I recall in the early days of uninstall utilities, one was advised against using it to uninstall big office suites or system utils. Can TU be used to remove .Net service packs and MS Visual C++ redistributables? What about system components? Any general advice?

Tnx,

Guy

Aug 3 2011 at 3:11pm

VLM Well, I don't mean to sound ignorant, but in this instance I suppose I am. What is "DRM"?

Aug 3 2011 at 3:44pm

Pedro Laurent It stands for Digital rights management (DRM) and is used to limit the number of systems the software can be installed on by requiring authentication with an online server, in worst cases it can be implemented with hardware foot print which utilizes the PC hardware to created a unique ID which can not be duplicated therefore insuring that the software won't be used in another machine so forever bonding the software and make it non transferable to another machine. So if your machine GOES KAPUT your BELOVED DRM software GOES KAPUT as well.

Aug 3 2011 at 6:56pm

VLM Thanks Pedro. I guess that is why Gavrila has emphasized that they will add installs in such a case.

Aug 3 2011 at 7:07pm

Pedro Laurent I don't like the 12 months support for this types of software I have been using Revo Uninstaller Pro since 2009 and still getting updates for it although the DRM feature sucks I am able to transfer my license when ever I need to by just having my serial number reset and it takes just 5 minutes after sending an email request to their support.

Aug 3 2011 at 7:17pm

Tazzie Pedro, I agree with you. I'm not too crazy about the 12 months limit. I really don't see the reasoning for that with this type of software. If there was a lot of info changes to keep up with, such as with security software, where there are a lot of downloads during the year, etc., then I could see a 12 month license apply. Uninstall software, however, doesn't deal with that type of updating, unless I missed something somewhere.

I, too, have been using Revo Uninstaller Pro, and have been as satisfied as I can be. I just did a reinstall and no problems at all.

I do like the extra features of TI5, although I also would like to hear a response to the Presiding Emissary's question about updates.

Aug 3 2011 at 11:19pm

Gavrila Martau 1. You can transfer a license simply registering the program on the new computer (no email or serial change)
2. The maintenance period refers to program updates only. The email support is not restricted. If you consider that the paid update isn't important and do not worth the price you can use the version that you purchased (or any version released in the maintenance period) without any limit. A such licensing model encourages us to keep the program under development.

Gavrila Martau Vendor - Aug 3 2011 at 11:50pm

Peter Gabriel It's a shame we can't check out the features of the Pro version before making a judgement on which version to buy. A table showing the differences is not adequate really.

Aug 4 2011 at 3:11am

Roberto i bought a family license. Only need for 1 computer, but im ok with the discount prize.

I dont like your policy (i always try to discard software with online activations). I will give try this time.

Continue developing your software and you will have honest customers giving you support.

Aug 4 2011 at 3:55am

Doug Atkinson Gavrila, Thanks for offering this today. I've been a happy user of the Standard version for many years - my 5.x version maintenance expired last October and I didn't update (if it's not broke, don't fix it!), but with today's discount I'll be buying a family license!

As to Revo vs. TU I can't give any concrete comparison, but I know I've tried Revo a couple of times and always find myself coming back to Total Uninstall, though I expect the reasons are more look and feel vs. true functionality.

Aug 4 2011 at 5:28am

Jan-Christoph Ihrens @Gavrila Martau: "1.1. Real-time monitoring is not always an advantage. If the install process include a reboot, then the monitoring process is ruined or at least incomplete."

I have a lot of software, and often I install several updates without rebooting after each update installation although I'm prompted to. Will this still be possible when using TU? I would be quite inconvenient to have to reboot every single time...

Aug 4 2011 at 5:41am

Pedro Laurent With all the respect you said the 12 months update is necessary to keep the program under development? Well it seems more like a subscription based program, cause I bought a license for the professional version at regular price on Abril of last year which was version 5.6.1 and stop receiving updates until version 5.9.3. to the extent you consider version 5.6.1, 5.7.0, 5.80, 5.9.0 - 5.9.3 a 12 months based model. By the time a major version is release I will be paying triple digits $$$! since version 5.0.0 of TU was release on October-22-08 and the latest Version 5.9.3 March-25-11 that makes it 2 years, 5 months and still no sight of version 6.

Aug 4 2011 at 5:58am

Gavrila Martau 1. Total Uninstall monitoring process allow you to reboot the computer only if you want.
2. The maintenance period is not exactly one year.
We released several versions and allow the use with the maintenance period expired. There are users who got more than a year and a half maintenance period. Do not compare this licensing model with a subscription because when the subscription is ended the service/product can't be used anymore or is restricted. It is not the case with Total uninstall that can be used without any restriction. My opinion is that when you purchase a product, you pay for the current product.

Gavrila Martau Vendor - Aug 4 2011 at 6:39am

Rael Bauer Installing on one computer and on 2 Virtual PCs that are used on the same computer requires how many licenses?

Thanks

Aug 4 2011 at 6:44am

Gavrila Martau According to the license you should get a family pack (two computers are counted). For a physical computer and one VM a single license is OK.

Gavrila Martau Vendor - Aug 4 2011 at 6:51am

Jan-Christoph Ihrens @Gavrila Martau: Thank you very much for your reply.

"1. Total Uninstall monitoring process allow you to reboot the computer only if you want."

Just to make sure: In the scenario I described, several (update) installations are started, then the computer is rebooted and those installations get finished automatically. If I understand you correctly, it is possible to "mix" several installations and it's not necessary to end one (by rebooting) before the next one starts? Sorry if I'm a little slow-witted... ;-)

Aug 4 2011 at 7:27am

Joe McCormick Do you have a 64-bit version for Windows 7? I know your website says that it will work on a 64-bit, but is the program just 32-bit.
I know Revo UnInstaller Pro has both 64-bit and 32-bit version.

Aug 4 2011 at 8:36am

VLM So Gavrila, I just want to know ... are you willing to offer the Pro version today as well as the standard version, and in both the single and family pack? I would much prefer the pro version, and I imagine others would, as well.

Thank you kindly!

Aug 4 2011 at 9:45am

VLM Never mind, I just answered my own question ... both versions are available today in both packages (single and family). Thanks!

Regarding the Pro version, could you say a bit more about these features:

- Merge installation logs
- Compare system snapshots
- Create custom profiles (analyze, scan, compare, uninstall)

What do these mean?

Thank you kindly!

Aug 4 2011 at 9:50am

Peter Gabriel The Presiding Emissary for Vibrant Living Ministries and Successors
If you click the 'Buy' button the options for each version are there.

Aug 4 2011 at 9:54am

Peter Gabriel Ah, you've found out.

Aug 4 2011 at 9:55am

Gavrila Martau -The program is 32bit only as I specified on the site.
-To understand the pro features you should at least install the program and check the main menu and the options dialog. The profiles are set of options that can be applied easy. Besides the predefined ones, the user can define others (custom). You can merge manually two installation logs into one like the first install log with the update log. Since the monitored programs module works creating system snapshots, you can compare from a list two arbitrary system snapshots to find what was changed between these. In addition to above, a PRO feature is to search in all monitored programs or in analyzed programs for a file/folder or registry entry.

Gavrila Martau Vendor - Aug 4 2011 at 10:22am

VLM Does Total Uninstall check the entire registry (all hives) or only selected hives?

Aug 4 2011 at 12:34pm

Peter Margol HIGHLY recommend reading this long-time running post before buying (hillarious reading;) -- http://fileforum.betanews...084/1/view

Aug 4 2011 at 12:57pm

VLM Peter - Good heavens, what a "conversation" those people are having. I cannot imagine attempting to use anything written there ... you? I mean, I do not know how to determine what is true, false, reasonable, crazy ... suggestions welcome! (And I won't even ask how you came up with this page! :):)

Gavrila - Is it true that TU leaves behind certain information, such as keys that establish software trial periods?

Aug 4 2011 at 1:21pm

giorgio de laurentis why is the deal expired at 22:45 European Time ?

Aug 4 2011 at 1:47pm

VLM I'm feeling a bit confused ... Is TU available as a true 64-bit app, or does it only monitor and remove 64-bit apps?

And if not presently available as 64-bit, is that in the dev plan?

Aug 4 2011 at 1:47pm

VLM Hey ... the deal expired in the middle of the day here. What's going on???

Aug 4 2011 at 1:48pm

DrTeeth I have decided not to purchase due to the activation system and, to be honest, I have NEVER had any problems with the normal Windows uninstall routines.

Aug 4 2011 at 1:56pm

Gavrila Martau Something is wrong here. Our Today conversation vanished and the deal is expired :(.

Gavrila Martau Vendor - Aug 4 2011 at 1:59pm

VLM Yes, and the next day's deal is available before it is supposed to begin. Someone at BDJ just goofed, I imagine.

Still curious about my questions, above, regarding leave-behinds and 64-bit.

Aug 4 2011 at 2:15pm

Nico Westerdale Apologies for the technical problems, the deal is now available.

Bits du Jour Admin - Aug 4 2011 at 2:25pm

Gavrila Martau 1. There are great chances that the first version 6 to have also a 64bit edition, this year.
2. For monitored programs there are no leave behind of items that were created during the monitored process. The items created during the program use (not monitored) are impossible to be detected except those created in the folders that were detected as created at install time (for these the program will show a special dialog were the user can decide if the items will be uninstalled or not). For analyzed programs, the hidden items are impossible to be detected (trial information). No uninstaller is or will be able to detect it.

Gavrila Martau Vendor - Aug 4 2011 at 2:34pm

Steven Hall Why make a standard version and pro version for an mere uninstaller software? Second your support policy does not give any advantage since you release minor updates seldom making the 12 months support to laugh about it. The software takes a considerable amount of time to load.

Aug 4 2011 at 3:47pm

Gonzo Although I already own Revo, the comments here made me curious about Total Uninstall... I just purchased it, hope I don't regret it!
BTW, if I understood correctly, this app shows a log of everything that's changed whenever you monitor an installation, which is excellent!

Aug 4 2011 at 5:04pm

William Underwood Trying to get this program, 2 hours ago changed my password and tried to order and got info on an OLD order (Oct. 24, 2010) and yet the screen said I had ordered Total Uninstall 5 Pro for the discount price of $43.?? for the 4 machine version and a CD for 1 year, but the printout was for the old Oct. 24, 2010 dealing I had on your records. Your site is difficult if one does not know his password...William Underwood

Aug 4 2011 at 5:35pm

Peter Gabriel I'm glad I'm not a software developer.

Gavrila, I hope you get a good night's sleep, you deserve it.

Aug 4 2011 at 5:59pm

Jürgen Hegenscheid If i will use total uninstall on a computer with i.e. windows xp and windows 7 installed (multiboot), and under both operating systems i have virtualmachines from i.e. Windows 95 up to Windows 7 running in virtualbox, vmware player and virtual pc, how much licenses would i need?
Could the family licenses only be used in one household, or will it be also okay to give one of the licenses to my daughter or my stepson which both live in other cities?

Sincerely Jürgen

Aug 4 2011 at 6:17pm

VLM Hi again Gavrila,

You wrote: The items created during the program use (not monitored) are impossible to be detected except those created in the folders that were detected as created at install time (for these the program will show a special dialog were the user can decide if the items will be uninstalled or not). For analyzed programs, the hidden items are impossible to be detected (trial information). No uninstaller is or will be able to detect it.
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Revo seems to, I have NEVER had a problem with a trial version or anything like that. I do not see a response from you to this question, so I have to work here by inference ... I assume you mean that TU does leave behind such things. I also asked whether ALL the hives are fully searched, and again, I do not see a response from you.

Would you please respond to these questions? Honestly, your program receives rave reviews and terrible reviews, one simply MUST question. I hope you understand this ... I don't think I've ever seen a program so loved and hated at the same time.

Aug 4 2011 at 6:45pm

Tazzie I think you took ALL the words out of my mouth, Presiding Emissary LOL!

I am also having a lot of mixed feelings. With such a mix of reviews, it's really difficult to use them to weigh a decision one way or another.

I can't remember Revo leaving behind stuff from trial versions. For any doubting the use of an uninstaller ... once you've used one like Revo or similar ones, I assume, you will see what kind of junk gets left behind by programs that the windows uninstaller doesn't touch. It has come in handy in the past due to my very bad habit of installing too many trial programs then forgetting about half of them. Then when I go to test the program, the trial period has expired. At times like that I was grateful to have Revo on hand to uninstall and reinstall so I could try the program out. In my experience, there are all too often exceptions to the rule sooner or later, so there's no guarantee that Revo or other similar programs won't run into them.

Aug 4 2011 at 7:34pm

Nico Westerdale Guys, Great discussions today about the software but please note that the developer is in Europe so he's certainly asleep right now! Hopefully we can get a reply on the last points before the time runs out, bit if not lease note the 1 month return policy if you don't want to miss out.

Bits du Jour Admin - Aug 4 2011 at 7:36pm

VLM Thanks for pointing that out, Nico, I had forgotten about that. My solution is to buy and pay by money order ... that way, I can hold off paying for a day or two to allow the conversation to continue a bit. So on one hand, I bought the Pro family pack. On the other, I already own Revo Pro, and I won't send of the funds for this one until I see replies to my questions.

Tazzie, Thanks! I, too, have used Revo in this way ... not to violate some company's software trial policy, I don't do that, it's morally wrong. But upon occasion, I have installed a trial version, become busy or distracted with other things, and just plain run out of trial period. Revo is the only tool I know that enables me to recover from such a situation ... and I'm trying to find out whether TU does the same.

I like ... very much ... the way TU handles software updates, per my questions of some hours ago, the ability to create a new log file, then merge the log files, etc. I like some of the reporting, some of the other features of TU, at least on the surface. But this business about leaving things behind ... this bothers me greatly.

I also find myself having mixed feelings about one aspect of the licensing and update policy. I absolutely believe that only a prosperous vendor is likely to be a good one. I have no problem paying for software, I do not share the objection over paying $20 for an upgrade, or the like. I mean, suppose I have 20 software products and every single one of them costs $20/year.

So what? If I don't have $400/year to invest in maintaining my software base, then I would be better off spending my time on serious introspection than on whining about some software price.

So ... the one aspect that makes me uncomfortable is this: Many software vendors offer free updates throughout the life of a major version, rather than for a calendar period. I prefer that approach. In other words, I would much prefer free updates throughout the life of version 5 ... however long that turns out to be ... than this 12-month business.

That said, it is not a deal-breaker for me ... it's just $20 or so. I am simply not willing to ruin my day over that ... like many people, I spend more than that on knick-knacks from time to time. To me, the discussion at that level is completely misdirected.

Well, enough ranting. I do hope we receive answers to some of the outstanding questions ... when the sun rises again in Europe, of course. :):)

Best to all!

Aug 4 2011 at 8:05pm

Tazzie Presiding Emissary,

I so agree with all you've said!!! The discount is enough to encourage me to try the program out without breaking the bank ... seriously, how many times do we "blow" 15 (actually 35 for me for family pack pro) bucks or the equivalent at a restaurant, bar, refreshments at the ball game, etc?!? At least with software you have something to show for it (hopefully LOL).

$25 a year, again, is not going to break the bank. However, it's the principle of the thing. Like I've said before ... I don't see regular ongoing changes in information requiring frequent software updates ... therefore, I just can't see where an annual fee is justified. Sure, we don't have to upgrade if we don't want to. Still .....

Another policy I think is misguided and possibly overlooked by some here is: ** Multiple Computer License already benefit from a great discount and doesn't qualify for upgrade discount.

It just seems that every opportunity to increase revenue is taken advantage of. I likewise agree that developers have a right to gainful employment and fair compensation for their work, and I don't hesitate to pay for my software. On the other hand, I don't appreciate developers who are not playing fair with consumers. Even though this is enough to turn off potential customers, enough will be willing to pay in spite of it because the software is considered worth the extra expense (and yes, I've done that, myself).

Anyway ... (sorry for the long discussion, Nico :))
I am happy and satisfied with Revo, but the extra features in TU5 really appeal to me. I will be also awaiting the info from Gavrila. What will be a deal breaker is not the $25 a year, but a NON TOTAL uninstall situation that leaves items that are definitely undesirable, especially when Revo will uninstall them.

BTW ... good idea on how to handle the payment. I'll have to keep that or a similar approach in mind!

Aug 4 2011 at 8:58pm

Tazzie I have a bit of a dilemma if anyone is still up and paying attention :) ....

The single user plan allows for one computer and one virtual machine. The family plan is required if more than one of either or both is used.

I do plan to finally start working with virtualisation, but I have no experience with it. A hundred lashes if this is a dumb question, but is there a reason why one would want to use TU5 on a VM as opposed to just deleting the VM and setting up a new one (other than that it would be more efficient to use the same VM and install/uninstall software as needed)?

Thanks bunches ... just when I think I know enough about something or anything at all, I get tripped up LOL, and greatly appreciate the patient and forthcoming folks here willing to share their knowledge and experience!!!

Aug 4 2011 at 9:09pm

Joshua Cowan So I've been using Total Uninstall for a couple of years now. In the meantime, I've tried several others along the way (Revo, Revo Pro, IOBit, the one from the DriverMax people, Ashampoo, etc). I can say categorically that nothing compares to Total Uninstall. Its analysis engine beats everything I've tried. Yes, it completely uninstalls both 32- and 64-bit software, and does it almost completely.

I suspect the people that are bitching have a problem with the price, and are making it ostensibly about other "issues". Maybe not. I haven't read the referenced thread, but in the past it's been about how it doesn't e.g. reset the counter for the number of days a trial has been used. If that's important to you, then Total Uninstall may make you less than perfectly happy. I personally don't know of one that will, though... even using RegShot "by hand" probably won't get you there.

It takes a while to appreciate how much you can do with Total Uninstall, besides just uninstalling stuff. I have several custom profiles, such as "uninstall analyzed no restore point". My usual method is to analyze the software, sometimes using the advanced analysis. Then use the "uninstall using only the program's uninstaller", which creates a restore point. Then look at the traces, remove the stuff that isn't part of the software I'm uninstalling (very rare, but I'm a pedant), save it, and do a total uninstall with no subsequent restore point. All neat and tidy, with few if any traces and no breakage.

As far as Revo and the like go, lets see you create a view of the installed software showing the previous version, new version, and current version of exe's or shared libs. Or MD5 hashes. Or the same for registry values. How about dragging one of the many binaries that Google Update leaves lying around when it updates itself into TU to automatically create an uninstaller for it (yes, including the other software that references it and the reg entries, too).

So, I'm just saying: I don't think he's not getting rich, but it's really none of my business. It's about the value I get out of it. This is great software. If he needs money to keep improving it, I don't care if he doesn't want to grow his userbase to do that (not that I think he doesn't)--I just want it to stay maintained. I bought a family license a couple of years ago, and have renewed it since. It's saved me way more time and headaches by tracking what exactly is being changed by software and how to remove/fix it (e.g., it's really nice to be able to do a "depth undo" when you have to install Quicktime and it hoses your associations, etc), than I've spent paying for it.

Just my experience, take it for what you will.

--Joshua

Aug 4 2011 at 9:35pm

Gavrila Martau - I don't understand from where the idea came that Total uninstall leave items behind because there are no proofs. For those making this kind of affirmations are invited to make tests and specify the exact conditions and implied programs. Somebody can use the program incorrectly and then make such false assertions. In a previous post, I tried to explain why some items are impossible to detect and remove by any uninstaller including the most reminded here revo, despite any marketing hype, and I saw that was considered as a Total Uninstall limitation only. However, this subject deserves a page on the website that will make clear some special situations, and I will not try here to reply each time that Total is TOTAL.
- I'm sorry for those that can't agree with the license policy of our product that I consider fair for both parts. I suppose that they will not purchase the program. I will not comment more about this subject.
- A reason to use the TU in VM is to obtain safely (without affecting a production system in any way) what a program installs.

Gavrila Martau Vendor - Aug 4 2011 at 10:11pm

Tazzie Gavrila,

Thanks so much for the answers and comments. While we may not agree on license policies, we can "agree to disagree," and can agree that TU5 is a worthwhile program!

I can see now how useful it would be to use TU in VM, and that is something that I definitely like. I have just changed my OS drive from a HDD to a SSD, and have just installed my most basic programs that I mostly likely will not need to uninstall (I hope!). I will definitely be buying TU and I look forward to learning how to use it!

Thanks again for your comments and bearing with our questions and discussions.

Aug 4 2011 at 10:25pm

Roberto "I'm sorry for those that can't agree with the license policy of our product that I consider fair for both parts. I suppose that they will not purchase the program. "

people here can install a no legit copy of your software? Sure!!

but.. why we not do?

here in BDJ you have many people like me, waiting to hear about jewels of software. Many of us, are passionate of sofware/shareware and apreciate the developer relationship with the customers.

Im not agree with your policy license and im your customer... and i bought family license just for support, because i only will use it in one pc (and no virtual machines neighter).

BDJ is a shop, visitors here WANT TO PAY for your software, and if you make us feel confortable with your product we will follow you and we will help to recomend your software to our companies, friends, family...

Aug 5 2011 at 12:22am

Tazzie Bravo, Roberto! Well said ... I couldn't have expressed it better! I also bought a family pro license ... we might argue, discuss, agree, disagree, etc, but in the end we appreciate good software and developers willing to develop relationships with us. We enjoy BDJ as a community, and hope you will also enjoy it!

Aug 5 2011 at 12:36am

M B Roberto, has said it well. I personally did not purchase due to the harsh DRM implementation with the program. We can agree to disagree, but I personally will agree to disagree with a no sale, even though I really would have liked to use the software.

Aug 5 2011 at 3:43am

VLM Hi everyone,

I just remembered something, I don't know why I did not think of this earlier. Through a BDJ promotion, I purchased a product called SandBoxie. This product creates a set-aside place in which to try out new software. If you don't like the software, SandBoxie apprarently removes whatever it has done.

I have not yet used this approach ... I'll be installing this shortly ... but it may be another way to handle the trial software issue.

Gavrila, thank you VERY much for all the time you have invested in this conversation. I know it must be challenging to read some things that seem false to you, and speaking for myself, and I believe for others here, it is not our intention blindly to criticize or poke holes. Rather, we have found a great number of writings on the Internet that criticize TU, and in particular that focus on examples where people make certain claims. We ALL realize that much of what is written on the Internet is, well, I'll let each person fill in his/her own word(s). :)

As Roberto has said so very well, most of us, who participate at BDJ, actively seek and deeply appreciate the opportunity to learn about all these software products. I know of no other place where people can do this in such a constructive way.

I encourage you to take today's conversation in that spirit. We ask about leave-behinds and the like, because we genuinely care about how we work, our privacy and safety. We value our time and energy and yours ... and we really do seek quality. Most of us have a genuine sense of fairness; I hope you saw this reflected in some of the later comments about money, my own included.

I must confess, I still feel confused about this trial software question, simply because I, personally, HAVE removed and successfully reinstalled such software with the help of Revo. I have not meant to advocate for Revo ... if you scan backward in the conversation, you'll find on post from me specifically confirming some of its weaknesses or limitations. At the same time, I would like any replacement to serve my needs, and this trial software business is indeed one of my needs.

My solution is simple: Over this weekend, I'll install the trial version of TU, and I'll do exactly what some have suggested ... install some other trial software, wait a few days, uninstall it, and see what happens. I'll do the same with Revo, just to make sure I'm not delusional about what it does.

Then I'll make my final decision about what to do. To me, this seems fair and reasonable ... though it obviously cannot be accomplished in a single day. I hope you find it so, as well.

Joshua, I very much appreciate your comments, sans your second paragraph. I cannot speak for others, but for myself, I will indeed look very closely at TU, at least in part because of what you have written. So ... thank you!

Best to all, and thanks to all for such a lively conversation!!

Aug 5 2011 at 7:08am

Tazzie Presiding Emissary,

Thanks for the reminder about Sandboxie. I haven't installed it yet, but I will do that soon so I can explore it's uses. I think all the different software has their uses and I look forward to exploring the best way to work with them.

This indeed has been a lively and instructive conversation ... my thanks to BDJ for providing the right environment to do so and for encouraging such conversations!

Aug 5 2011 at 11:21am

VLM You're welcome! Perhaps you'll post back and share what you experience! Perhaps I will, too!:) Have a great day!

Aug 5 2011 at 1:44pm

VLM Hi everyone,

Well, in case anyone is still interested, I ran my little experiment.

1. I installed ClipCache (another app bought through BDJ), using TU to monitor.

2. I waited a couple of days, then observed the ClipCache trial counter at 28 days.

3. I then uninstalled using TU, then reinstalled using Revo Pro to monitor. After this reinstall, a full 30 days remained for the ClipCache trial.

4. Then I waited a couple of days, then observed the ClipCache trial counter at 27 days.

5. I then used Revo to uninstall, then reinstalled ClipCache using no uninstaller to monitor. Once again, a full 30 days remained for the ClipCache trial.

So based upon this one-time, one-app, text under Win XP Pro SP3, I reasonably conclude that both programs did a full uninstall. There are no apparent "leave behinds" for either app.

At this point, I see little difference between the apps, other than some minor (and perhaps useful) features in favor of TU.

Best to all,
Elchanan

Aug 11 2011 at 2:31pm

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