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Backup, Archive, Transfer, and Restore Your Email

Beyond Inbox is the easy way to backup, archive, organize, transfer, and restore your email messages from any IMAP-enabled email client to another email account or your PC.

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What are people saying about Beyond Inbox
Sally Marciniak I see your licensing is per user. My home computer is a Mac, my laptop is Windows and my netbook is LINUX. Can I use all three versions with one license? I am the only one doing email on my 3 computers.
Jan 4 2011 at 4:23pm Copy Link
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joe febeetz i don't see the point...i can back up my email in Thunderbird by just copying my profile folder...what's the point of this program?
Jan 4 2011 at 7:04pm Copy Link
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pinco pallino Hello, can I extract email messages out of a microsoft .pst file with this program?
Jan 4 2011 at 8:01pm Copy Link
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Saurabh Dani Sally - yes - its per user. You can use the license on three machines if you are the one using it.
Chambal.com Inc. - Jan 4 2011 at 10:07pm Copy Link
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Saurabh Dani Hi Pinco,

not yet from a pst file. But if you can upload a pst to an exchange server and if the exchange server supports IMAP, then create a folder on the exchange server, move the emails from pst to that folder, then you can use Beyond Inbox to connect to exchange with IMAP. Many Exchange Admins have started enabling IMAP port since the release of iPhone.
Chambal.com Inc. - Jan 4 2011 at 10:11pm Copy Link
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Saurabh Dani Hi Joe,

One of our basic design theory for this program was "email is static, i.e. once an email is sent, it does not change" (a reply, forward etc are new emails). Since email is static and does not change, it should not be backed up in a dynamic file format, which keeps growing, and keeps changing (mbox / pst etc).

We backup one email as one eml file, which is the basic (open) file format. Any email program can read it back. The emails are stored by year and month folders (organized).

We also provide lots of user controls which you will not find in thunderbird including the ability to limit the number (size) of emails downloaded from the server in a day, incremental backups, move from one email server to another, copy between mail servers and "command line backups".

We also keep the MD5 in the file name for every email and when doing backups / archives, we don't download same email multiple times.
Chambal.com Inc. - Jan 4 2011 at 10:19pm Copy Link
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Curious Steve When I backup my Gmail account, it marks all my messages as read... this isn't good.
Jan 4 2011 at 10:22pm Copy Link
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Saurabh Dani Thanks for reporting this Steven,

Reading the IMAP specs, it looks like we can fix this issue soon.

From what I have read so far, I am confident that we can fix it soon. (within a week including testing. If you buy it today and don't get a patch for this issue in a week, I will issue you full refund).
Chambal.com Inc. - Jan 4 2011 at 10:29pm Copy Link
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Michael Carey 'Incredimail' has a fully functional back up feature and why
would anyone pay $24.50 for a mail backup program when
most email clients provide backup features or backing up
email is not difficult by other methods? 'Beyond Inbox' looks
like a rip off to me.
Jan 5 2011 at 6:19am Copy Link
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Saurabh Dani Hi Michael, there are several email clients and several email backup clients. They all function differently.

As I explained above in another thread, Beyond Inbox does a backup in "eml file format". Some people including me prefer that format.

I have been in email / email archive industry for 12 years, and I can storing emails as "eml files" for permanent archival is becoming a standard now (that's how most old unix based mail servers stored emails on the server side).

Again, it's a different way to store and organize the data, and some people prefer that way.
Chambal.com Inc. - Jan 5 2011 at 6:44am Copy Link
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Marc D. Other email clients already work with emails as separate files and you simply back up your windows folders with all other information in them, including emails - no need to have special program for this. Check out EverDesk or Windows Live Mail! Although WLM stores strange filenames instead of email subject, while EverDesk makes every email a separate eml file with the file name same as subject - you can open any message on any computer without any problem.
Jan 5 2011 at 6:54am Copy Link
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Saurabh Dani Marc - do they do incremental backups? Do they allow selective archival (not backup)? Do they organize eml files on the hard drive (to limit the number of emails per folder)?
Chambal.com Inc. - Jan 5 2011 at 6:56am Copy Link
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Rob Wakefield I have some old e-mail files from the days long ago when I was using Earthlink's e-mail software. Do you know if your program will be able to convert these old e-mail files to *.eml?
Jan 5 2011 at 7:01am Copy Link
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Saurabh Dani Rob, we don't do email file format conversion, but if you email a sample of those files, I can recommend you a way to convert them. I have done "lots of" email migration projects :).
I can be contacted at saurabh at chambal dor com
Chambal.com Inc. - Jan 5 2011 at 7:02am Copy Link
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Marc D. @Saurabh
Thanks for fast comment.
Back up is NOT what email clients have to do - for BACK UPS there are special - easy and sophisticated - applications. The point is that EverDesk and WLM already work with emails as separate eml files. So, backing up these eml files is no different from backing up the rest of the documents in the My Documents folder, for example. So, instead of having one backup program for emails, and another for the rest of documents, I need just one backup software which I like and that's it. Besides, EverDesk works with email messages using windows folders - there is no proprietary folder structure at all. You simply work with emails same way as you work with other files in Windows Explorer. You can move messages between any folders and organize them any way you want. And you can use internal or extenral HDD for storing your files and emails as well - I use flash drive to move all my files between computers when I need.
BTW, what about contacts? Do you need another program to back up contacts after you backed up your emails? EverDesk stores all contacts as separate files in vCard format, which is also open format. Same is for the Calendar, which is stored in ics files. My point is that I need ONE back up application to back up ALL my data, and not a separate application for different file formats.
Marc
Jan 5 2011 at 7:26am Copy Link
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Richard Koplow As Saurabh Dani suggests, backups and archives are fairly different. The product probably has limited utility for the home user - especially who actually performs system backups. The real utility of e-mail archiving such as (presumably) this service is realized when one is either compelled to respond rapidly to a legal request for e-mail discovery - becoming common for many small businesses - or when regulations (such as SEC) explicitly require offsite archiving of both incoming and outgoing correspondence. Many services (such as Redtail Technologies, said to be currently the most popular for the financial management industry) make a good business of archiving IMAP e-mail. That said, the offer is to my mind a bit silly in that the organizations likely to actually need a service such as this will require a great deal more than the few hours of the offer to properly evaluate the services, security, and actual performance of such a vendor. Although the various products of this company appear at first reading to offer benefit to small firms requiring archiving and collaborative services, it does not appear that this vendor is set up well to offer the product information and implementation assistance which small businesses are likely to require.
Jan 5 2011 at 9:09am Copy Link
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Saurabh Dani @ Richard .. yes - you are correct. I have lots of experience in that litigation business of email archives, and trying to bring that technology to home users / small businesses. There is no reason why a home user should not be able to search through and store "lots of email" for a reasonable price.

We do provide implementation assistance through re-sellers to businesses, but those business are not looking at a 49$ price range. The web site / web based product is for those who can setup themselves / have IT staff and can work on phone / email / forum support. Those are two different markets and we sell to them differently.
Chambal.com Inc. - Jan 5 2011 at 10:07am Copy Link
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Richard Koplow The issue I raise is not hand-holding or explaining how to plug in a USB stick. I simply do not see the documentation through which one could reasonably evaluate the security and performance of this vendor. If the intention is to provide to home users a tool or service with which to experiment and possibly effect usable e-mail archiving, then fine. But I would need much more information than a BUY NOW box before entrusting my, or business, records to an outside entity. Are any certifications, risk analyses, C&A packages available, for example. If there are numerous resellers, is there a history of performance which can be verified? I see no technical information for resellers or for users and no substantial information about the business. I can guess that I can install the service and I can assume many reasons to need such a service, but I do not see any reason here to trust this particular service. That is not to say that none can be shown, but it certainly does not appear to be central in the mind of this vendor, and it appears that they target clients to whom issues of security and performance are also secondary to action on a whim. I would like to see reviews of this vendor in publications in industries which traditionally need recourse to services of these types.
Jan 5 2011 at 11:41am Copy Link
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Saurabh Dani @Richard

We are selling a downloadable software. We are not selling a hosted service.
Te software runs on your own servers / desktop.

Thanks
Saurabh
Chambal.com Inc. - Jan 5 2011 at 1:22pm Copy Link
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Richard Koplow Indeed! I did not realize that; the other softwares listed for sale by this vendor appear largely to be gateways to hosted services, albeit not hosted by this vendor itself. But now I am a bit confused about the utility of the software. In my experience, anyone needing formal email archiving will generally need off-site archiving as well as local archiving to meet regulatory requirements. If the idea is to provide a much more searchable method of archiving than the simple backups mentioned by others, should not more explanation be given to specific features for archiving and retrieval? Anyway, I am not meaning to be argumentative; I would just like to see more services which do offer serious off-site storage and archiving with reasonably rigorous documentation about their offerings. So many say little more than '2GB $2 - SIGN HERE!' Well, SD, happy New Year - I will sign off!
Jan 5 2011 at 1:38pm Copy Link
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Northern sp. z o.o. Can I connect on SSL to mail server ?
Jul 9 2011 at 4:42am Copy Link
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Saurabh Dani Hi Arkadiusz,

Yes, Beyond Inbox can connect to IMAP over SSL port.

Saurabh
Chambal.com Inc. - Jul 9 2011 at 5:12am Copy Link
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Genie au Travail Comparison with MailStore Home ?

link for MailStore Home :
http://www.mailstore.com/...-home.aspx
Jul 10 2011 at 12:50am Copy Link
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DrTeeth Yes, with all those posts here...
Jul 12 2011 at 5:53am Copy Link
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Saurabh Dani Sorry for the delayed response guys.. it's morning time my time now.
We are in different time zones.

JRE - if its pre-installed - then pick the non-JRE version from our download site.

If you download a version with JRE - then keep it in the beyondinbox folder - and keep it where you have read-write permissions. i.e. do not move it to program files folder if you are using a ZIP version - as that is designed for USB drive / portable / zip version, where everything is self contained within a folder.

summary - if you use the installer and install the app to program files - then JRE should also be installed directly from java.com.
If you use zip version - then extract it to a folder, where you have full read-write permissions.

Thanks
Saurabh
Chambal.com Inc. - Jul 12 2011 at 6:08am Copy Link
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Saurabh Dani so - most of the problems that you have reported - are probably on Windows 7 - if you run the app as admin - right click - run as admin - and then if it works fine - then we have some ideas on how to fix these permission issues and I can provide an update soon.

The prompt for "path" on everytime the app starts is by design. We will make it default in the next patch. - thanks for the feedback.
Chambal.com Inc. - Jul 12 2011 at 6:13am Copy Link
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Genie au Travail No, my computer run with Windows XP SP3.
But I have tried to access to the preferences and to create an IMAP profile being offline, just after first run of the software.
Jul 12 2011 at 1:16pm Copy Link
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Roger Thomasson @ Genie

I'd recommend that you take this conversation offline using the appropriate support channels that Saurabh has created:

http://www.beyondinbox.co...pport.html

BDJ comment threads are not meant to be support forums. Thanks for understanding :-)

-r
BitsDuJour Admin - Jul 12 2011 at 4:02pm Copy Link
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Ennovy It's a pity that it needs java which I refuse to install because it makes my PC vulnerable.
I use Mailstore Home which is great and always free.
Jun 15 2012 at 12:46am Copy Link
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Daniel . Can one please explain "Transfer of a license to another owned computer is allowed." I got that bit, I can move the software to a different computer than there this "You must instal/register the software within 30 days, and cannot do so afterwards." So how does one reinstall the software on a new computer after the 30 days?
Jun 15 2012 at 2:23am Copy Link
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Franck Waserman Java? No go for me :(
Jun 15 2012 at 2:24am Copy Link
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Mary User I tried to "buy" this but the website is refusing to complete the transaction
Jun 15 2012 at 6:20am Copy Link
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Phil S Which version should I install? I have 64 bit Windows with 32 bit Office.
Jun 15 2012 at 6:20am Copy Link
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Nico Westerdale Phil - you need the 64 bit Windows version. Always choose based on your OS
BitsDuJour Admin - Jun 15 2012 at 6:21am Copy Link
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Ian G Its ironic that the JRE has been chosen by governments worlwide to offer such access as Tax accounts etc to citizens yet jave and specifically the JRE isn't up to snuff for people who use third party (free in this case) softwares.

Please explain how using java programs makes a machine vulnerable..Would most of you even recognize the list of titles written in Java if on your machine if we laid them out?

What a load of nonsense.
Jun 15 2012 at 6:21am Copy Link
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Software Guy I have read your site and only with difficulty do I find that you are backing up individual emails to individual .eml files and I believe they are in a windows folder. if so this is fine BUT do you have a batch filter to convert those files to .rtf or other? That is primarily what home users would like to see in an email backup program.
Reason being there are 2 types of backups. the first Iiwill call native backups, which store emails as backup files in a .eml format and to use or read them you must use an email client or something like emailviewer pro -$70. this is great for institutions but not so good for home users.
Home users use a PC based environment which wants to store text files as .txt or .rtf and picture files as .bmp or .jpg and so on. That is the language of their environment.
So most email backup programs are institutional types which simply store emails as duplicates in their native .eml format. That really is not much use to the pc user. The pc user needs to first store the .eml files locally in a windows folder, then either needs to convert them to .rtf etc to make them searchable, viewable and usable. Some programs like everdesk do exactly this.
So my question, because it was not spelled out on your website, is - what exactly does beyond inbox do? Does it store .eml files with a translator application to search and view, or does it include a file conversion utility to store the files in the windows native file formats of .rtf and .bmp?
reason is that if it is only .eml, most pc home users will not be very happy as they must still rely on a mail program to use or search them, and they must then still be converted to be used easily in other applications.
So chambal, please explain exactly how your beyond inbox stores the files and explain how the user then accesses and uses the backup files in a windows environment. Thanks.
Jun 15 2012 at 6:28am Copy Link
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Saurabh Dani Daniel - If you use the zip version (instead of the installed version), the license file is stored with the exe in same folder. So you can just copy the entire beyondinbox folder to any computer or USB drive and use it from there.
Chambal.com Inc. - Jun 15 2012 at 6:29am Copy Link
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agata deli Eccellente! Grazie!
Jun 15 2012 at 6:33am Copy Link
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Saurabh Dani PeLi and Franck,

Not every programming language can support the amount of networking and parallel processing which we have to do for IMAP email downloads. The java libraries which we are using are tested and supported and used for years (i.e. they are open source, and "solid"). So, this ensures that the emails are always 100% "complete" and nothing is proprietary. If we go out of business - your backups will be 100% safe and can be used by any other email program.

Hopefully these data safety related benefits will convince you to use java in this case :) (you don't need to install java - you can use the embedded version, where Java is part of the beyond inbox code).
Chambal.com Inc. - Jun 15 2012 at 6:34am Copy Link
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Saurabh Dani Software guy - these are great suggestions and we will add rtf / pdf in next versions. For now, we store each file as an EML file - which can be opened in ANY desktop based email program - or restored back to gmail / imap based program.
outlook / outlook express /eudora / netscape / entourage etc etc - they all can open eml file.

You can drag 100s of emails from a backup folder back to an outlook express folder. We have shown this in demo videos on our site.

The benefit of eml files is -- they are Open Standard, i.e. not going away if one email providers goes out of business and there will always be clients (software) to read eml files. The benefit of eml over pdf / rtf is that it preserves the attachment.

Our main focus in a backup client was to be able to restore with a single click - (drag & drop) - EVEN IF WE ARE NO LONGER IN BUSINESS. -- i.e. the backup should be useful - without beyond inbox :)
Chambal.com Inc. - Jun 15 2012 at 6:39am Copy Link
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Ennovy @ Saurabh Dani
I wil try the embedded version. Thanks for your information.
Jun 15 2012 at 7:06am Copy Link
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Software Guy To follow on my previous post, for users wishing to backup to the .eml files and use them as standard windows files from Beyond Inbox, various converters including free ones are available.
the paid sofware seems to work better IMHO. One is here
http://www.coolutils.com/...lConverter
and another here with an excellent step by step view of what must be done to convert:
http://www.sysinfotools.c...o-rtf.html
certain probgrams like everdesk convert to rtf and preserve the subject lines as well as the attachments in their native form. Look here for past offers on BDJ
http://www.bitsdujour.com.../everdesk/
But for straight backup to your hard drive and file viewing in email applications it looks like Beyond Inmail will do the job. In addition it allows easy batch uploading to another mail client such as googlemail.
I am hoping these posts let BDJ users make informed decisions.
Jun 15 2012 at 7:43am Copy Link
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Eddie Got the deal and downloaded the software but given the poor reputation they have at Web of Trust I will skip installation.
I did try to find some reviews of the software at respected websites but found none.
Jun 15 2012 at 7:43am Copy Link
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Software Guy Beyond Inbox is free today and does offer backups and transfers to other email applications. And, as stated earlier, these eml files can be converted to rtf files with available converters. If your email is large then this will take some time - maybe quite a bit of time to convert. Just for fun you may wish to play with this little freebie gem to fill the time your computer is busy converting:
http://www.coolutils.com/PhotoMusic
Jun 15 2012 at 8:01am Copy Link
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Edward Pritchard Jr What is a jre version ?

Also if i get a notebook what version does that use ?
Jun 15 2012 at 2:40pm Copy Link
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Markus Malmann @Edward A Pritchard Jr

1. JRE = Java Runtime Environment
That does mean that this includes only the files needed to run java-enabled software but not any developer-enhancements and so on.

2. That depends on you. There are 32-bit and 64-bit-versions available.
Jun 15 2012 at 8:01pm Copy Link
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Daniel . @Saurabh Dani Thankyou for that, and it not locked to one usb device right?
Jun 16 2012 at 12:20am Copy Link
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JWS Chambal.com Inc. Vendor:

I have been trying very hard for a way too long to install and register ''Beyond Sync'' from your BitsDuJour.com offer.

Obviously, I am not an expert.

I have Win 7 HP x64 SP1

First I downloaded from the email registration link to my Data\downloads file on my secondary hard drive

E:\DESKTOP3\DOWNLOADS\Downloads\Beyond Inbox_SETUP_FULL_6.16.12\BeyondInbox64-jre-2012060001\

I had expected to extract then install to my C:\Program Files\

What I discovered was that there was no setup program. When extracted, to my surprise, the execute program along with the other folder and files appeared (remember, I am not an expert).

I figured that was not the correct way to handle the download.

So I downloaded again but this time directly to my C:\Programs folder.

Please understand, not being an expert, I do not even know how to get a program to appear on my Start Menu. Until now, all my new programs' installation setup files have handled this for me automatically.

My problem is, when I attempt to open the BeyondInbox64.exe file, it brings up a registration page that will not accept the registration code I received in my registration email.

Please advise on the proper way and place to download the program, and how to register it.

By the way, I also have C:\Program Files ((86) folder, but am I correct to assume that it is for non-64 bit programs?

This is from my registration email:

BitsDuJour Software Receipt - Beyond Inbox
Thank you for your order

Beyond Inbox
Platform: Mac & PC
Quantity: 1
Total: 0.00 USD
Purchased: 6/15/2012 7:26:13 AM
Order Number: ruTBCj
Registered Name: JEFFREY SNYDER

Registration Code
Registration name:
bitsdujourcloudcomputingexperts.com

Registration Code:
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BEST REGARDS,

JEFF SNYDER
USA
Jun 16 2012 at 12:35am Copy Link
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