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Writing Outliner for MS Word

Turn Microsoft Word into a Powerhouse!

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Platforms: Windows 7/8/10 with Office 365/3019/2016/2013/2010/2007/2003 (32-bit and 64-bit)
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"A must-have for all serious writers who use MS Word!" -- Andrej E. Skubic, novelist and playwright

Love it or hate it, for better or worse, Microsoft Word (and the DOC format) is pretty much standard when it comes to writing on a PC. Ubiquitous, even.

That's exactly why we're so excited about Writing Outliner for MS Word. It's an add-in that takes Microsoft's industry standard word-processing platform and supercharges it with a host of tools designed specifically for large-scale writing projects.

In a nutshell, Writing Outliner allows you to treat individual sections of a large project as smaller separate documents. This project-based method of writing is ideal for any complex document. For example, novels, research papers, technical white-papers, a series of columns, a short-story collection, or even a personal diary!

The hierarchical outliner is probably the most important and powerful aspect of Writing Outliner. It faciliatates better, more intuitive organization of notes and thoughts, offers a big-picture overview, and allows for much easier navigation of long texts.

But that's only the beginning! Writing Outliner also features lightning-fast full-text search, tabbed document editing, Outlook-style document status flags and icons, custom document tagging, a comprehensive document synopsis and notes system, and much, much more. Make sure to click over to the Writing Outliner website for a thorough overview!

Writing Outliner also includes a fantastic feature called the Corkboard View! The Corkboard is a fantastic tool for plotting a novel, or providing a visial overview of the entirety or parts of your project. Want to see the Corkboard in action? Take a look at the brief video demo.

What's new in v1.9 since v1.5:

  • - Supports all the new versions of Word including Word 365, 2019, 2016, 2013, 32-bit and 64-bit, for Win 10 or older versions.
  • - Supports 4 color index cards - pink, yellow, blue and green.
  • - Significant corkboard usability improvements.
  • - Supports high resolution screens including 4K monitors.
  • - And a bunch of other improvements.

You can check the new screenshots and a video here:

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Edwin Yip What's new in v1.9 since v1.5:
- Supports all the new versions of Word including Word 365, 2019, 2016, 2013, 32-bit and 64-bit, for Win 10 or older versions.
- Supports 4 color index cards - pink, yellow, blue and green.
- Significant corkboard usability improvements.
- Supports high resolution screens including 4K monitors.
- And a bunch of other improvements.

You can check the new screenshots and a video here:
Innovation Gear - Apr 6 2020 at 11:16pm Copy Link
Dunking I am interested in this, but haven't figured out a potential issue that could be make or break for me.

I want to use this to facilitate writing reports and specification documents. They all have a particular style which is defined by some templates. The front page has a certain layout with embedded logo, and there are defined header and footer style and contents.

What I haven't figured out is how to use these with this application. I looked at the example (the manual) but, of course, Word doesn't allow applying a template after the document is created. It allows the import of styles, but templates are more than just styles.

Is this possible? Could I, perhaps halfway through writing the document, insert a new page using a template and then have that template wrap the entire thing when it's compiled? I don't want to mess around adding headers and footers at the end - the whole point of this is to click the button and there is the finished output, after all.
Apr 7 2020 at 5:55am Copy Link
Eduardo Amado Edwin, I`m a former user of the first realeses of Writing Outliner. I wonder if it is posiible to apply the 50% off for the update price.
Apr 7 2020 at 6:48am Copy Link
Edwin Yip @Eduardo Amado, yes, the previous upgrade price was 40% off, but in the future it'll be 50% off. But please note that the discount won't add up if you purchase it here. You can contact me for the way to purchase the upgrade.
Innovation Gear - Apr 7 2020 at 6:59am Copy Link
Edwin Yip @Dunking,
That's a very practical question. And it's a good feature to implement. But maybe the header/footer won't have to be defined somewhere in the "Project Options".
PS, DocxManager (another product of mine) has a similar feature as you described - apply styles to the rest of the project from a 'style template document', see here: And contact me with email if DocxManager is more suitable to your needs.
Innovation Gear - Apr 7 2020 at 7:05am Copy Link
Dunking Thanks for getting back on this quickly, Edwin.
Er, are you saying it would be nice to have but it doesn't have it right now? If it meant I have to create a new document from an existing template, and have that document be the first and/of compiled at the front of everything else, that would be OK. Applying after writing would be nice but not critical (I know what it's going to be before I start, after all).

The other app you point to I am not really sure what it does, but essentially $99 for this one feature is a bit much :)
Apr 7 2020 at 7:32am Copy Link
Edwin Yip @Dunking,
You are welcome! Yes, the current version of WritingOutliner doesn't have such a feature yet, but I'm quite sure it'll be added, although I couldn't tell the time frame at the moment.
Innovation Gear - Apr 7 2020 at 8:10am Copy Link
Steve Ekeroth I came across this program this morning and I thought it would give it a try, but when I installed the trial version and created a new project things do not look right. I am using Word 365, but as you can see from the screenshot there is no menu button in the project manager pane as I expected from the reading the documentation. Also, opening the manual seems to be working. Here is a screenshot link:!Aj0Z8...g?e=gaYDL3
Apr 7 2020 at 8:39am Copy Link
Tommy Hale After 2 installations per footprint will you still allow a reinstall? I normally reinstall windows every 18 months to get a fresh start and remove software I no longer use. ...Tommy
Apr 7 2020 at 8:44am Copy Link
Edwin Yip @Steve Ekeroth, Thanks for the screenshot, something is wrong with WritingOutliner on your system. Would you click Tools->Copy System Info and send it to edwin.yip [at]
Innovation Gear - Apr 7 2020 at 8:49am Copy Link
Edwin Yip @Tommy Hale, Sure, you can re-install WritingOutliner anytime in the future on the same computer or another (de-activate it first from the previous computer if it reached two activations)
Innovation Gear - Apr 7 2020 at 8:52am Copy Link
slm I am evaluating the trial version 1.9 of this program this morning. I worked through the user's manual and played with most of the features. I am using it with MS Word 2016. There are two features that I was not able to get to work: Multi-Column Outliner in a Tab Window and the File Explorer in a Tab Window. When I create a New Tab Window only two options are offered: open an existing folder/document or create a corkboard. Are these features disabled in the trial version?
Apr 7 2020 at 12:24pm Copy Link
Craig S. I also am interested in this program, but after install, opening Word, and creating a new outliner file, the program crashed. I've uploaded the bug report, but am concerned I won't have time to test this before this promo is over here at BDJ. Given this, can the discount be extended to me if I can't get the program to work before the promo is over?
Apr 7 2020 at 2:00pm Copy Link
Dunking After trying this for a bit I decided to give it a whirl and purchased a copy. To work around the template thing I create a new file from the template, ctl-a, ctl-c the compiled work and ctl-v in the new file. That deals with the header and footer, front page, etc. Providing I use the same styles in both there isn't an issue, but if the styles are different then merging them is so much pain that it's better not to use this. If a better way of applying a template made it into this product it would be really useful.
Apr 7 2020 at 3:23pm Copy Link
Dennis User This file will not open for me.
Apr 7 2020 at 3:55pm Copy Link
Louis H Word keeps shutting down and restarting. It was not doing this before installing Writing Outliner. Not sure why this is happening, nor if it might be a known or unknown bug, but if it is only happening with this program installed, which right now seems to be the case, will need to pass. Did not see anything on programs website for trial version limitations including this. Otherwise seems like a nice program, I like the way it is set up.

Using Win 10 Pro (recent public release, not Beta) with Word 365 (current release).

Edit: 11pm 04/07/2020 - Have been using it for awhile and not getting the restarts the way I was. So I am not sure whether it was something on my end, or related to the program, but it does appear to have stopped. Wanted to add this note so things were not left with a cloud over the program itself, at least for my usage of it. Picking up a copy. Thanks to Edwin and BDJ for the deal.
Apr 7 2020 at 5:17pm Copy Link
Edwin Yip @Craig S, Thanks for submitting the bug report, I'll check it. You can contact me for the way to take advantage this discount after this campaign is over.

@Stanley Mitchell, The File Explorer Tab has been replaced by the Windows system's Open/Save File Dialogs, and the Multi-Column Outliner has been removed since according to users feedback it makes the app feel too complex.

@Dunking, I'm quite sure a feature for some kind of global template will be implemented in future versions.

@Louis H, will check the issue. If possible, I'll be appreciated if you submit the bug report if the WritingOutliner Issue Report dialog appears.
Innovation Gear - Apr 7 2020 at 8:14pm Copy Link
marc User This app sounded like the a nifty way to organize documents for some major products. I downloaded it with a few hours to go in the promotion and installed it in Office 365. Alas every project I created, after a short while testing the software, crashed Word with an access violation. Based on everyone's positive comments I may be the old one with such an error. For me, at least, I don't have time to plunk down my money now, and chase down that kind of error later, especially since one of the test projects I created couldn't be reopened due to file corruption.
Apr 7 2020 at 9:20pm Copy Link
slm @Edwin Yip, thanks for clarifying the product features. I'll be ordering a copy.
Apr 7 2020 at 10:21pm Copy Link
Edwin Yip @marc, Thanks for the details of the problem you encountered, I'll definitely check it and fix it.
Innovation Gear - Apr 7 2020 at 10:47pm Copy Link
David Maryka @Edwin Yip : you stated that you removed the Multi-Column Outliner because it made "the app feel too complex". I'm pleading with you to re-consider that decision and at least make it a user option.
I've purchased and used numerous Outline and Info Managers (including InfoQube, RightNote, Myinfo, Scrivener, Evernote, Nimbus Note, etc.) each with their own advantages but all of them lacking Word's editing power. This app allows me to capture Thoughts and Ideas as individual documents, organize them into a coherent structure and finally "assemble" them into full documents with every element having full access to Word's features.
The ONLY essential feature missing is that Multi-Column Outliner that allows me to quickly review the overall status of the proposed final document. It is also the 2nd entry on your Features webpage so it must have been important to you at one time.
Otherwise, this is a brilliant app that has already become central to my daily workflow. Well done... just wish I had discovered it sooner!
Apr 8 2020 at 6:48am Copy Link
Heather User I purchased this because I love the idea ... an add-in that makes Microsoft Word more like Scrivener. But in the first 10 minutes after installing it, I've had 2 errors, one of which crashed Word. The interface for the corkboard does not adjust well across screens when you're using a mutli-display setup ... the corkboard area overlaps the bar just above it so you can't see the tabs and the text is so large on the notes that you can't see the title on each card. It's not usable for me in this state ... would just be a constant struggle. I hope the developer keeps iterating and improving because I would love to use this once these kinks are worked out.
Apr 8 2020 at 8:13am Copy Link
Edwin Yip @David Maryka, Thanks for your comment, it makes sense. I'll consider it. But the bottom line is, even without the old Multi-column Outline View I most likely will add a feature that allows you to quickly review the overall status of the proposed final document.
Innovation Gear - Apr 8 2020 at 8:39am Copy Link
Edwin Yip @Heather User, the issue you described might have something to do with your multi-monitor setup, if possible, would you send me some screenshots of the second issue? Thanks.
Innovation Gear - Apr 8 2020 at 8:43am Copy Link
David Maryka @Heather : I received a couple of error messages and a Word shutdown when I first started using this app. After this initial "settling-in period", I've spent hours in it without any significant problems.
I have a 4 monitor setup (2@1920x1200, 1@1200x1920, 1@1920x1080) and I haven't had any issue with the Corkboard once I set [Scale Font Size] to 90%. I agree that the Corkboard needs some work but it is a relatively new feature.
The real saving grace is that the individual documents are stored inside a database (with version/revision control) so a shutdown will not destroy a whole complex document like with Word itself.
I hope you keep working with this app. I've struggled with Scrivener's limitations for years but I've already increased my productivity with Writing Outliner in a matter of hours. When I get back into fiction writing, I'll probably still use Scrivener for Plot and Character development, but the bulk of the writing will be via this app; I can see them complementing each other really well.
Apr 8 2020 at 9:11am Copy Link
Heather User @Edwin Yip ... I emailed you my screenshots. I also submitted error reports the three times I had an error pop up. Thanks!
Apr 8 2020 at 11:46am Copy Link
Louis H Since purchasing the program last night (Eastern US), I have been working quite a bit with it and am no longer having the few hiccups I was experiencing with the trial version. Even when I was having them, it was a simple restarting of Word with my document intact. Again, no longer sure it was the program itself, or something on my end, but it has certainly disappeared whatever it was. Liking this program the more I use it. For clarification, I am not using it for any level of professional writing, so my mileage may be different than what others might experience, but for what I am doing with it, I've made far more progress in the past 24 hours than the past 12 months. (Why yes, I am a procrastinator. Why do you ask?)
Apr 8 2020 at 1:07pm Copy Link
Dennis User I haven't been able to load this program. I did purchase it. I continue to receive System Error 5 in a Windows 10 computer. I have never had a problem loading programs with a System Error 5 blockage on this machine. Can anyone offer suggestions on how to overcome this problem?
Apr 8 2020 at 1:40pm Copy Link
Kevin User There are many bugs in high resolution. I don't think this version is a stable one.
Apr 8 2020 at 6:02pm Copy Link
HJ User In view of the error reports, I downloaded and installed this program, with some concern that it might screw up my MS word installation. I took the chance, reasoning that I could reinstall Word 365 and overcome any bugs.

Upon installation, a new menu tab is added with regard to Writing Outliner. It included a menu item to "Open the Manual". I did so. The manual is laid out with a long table of contents links, and an initial page of numerous colored blocks, each containing a sentence of two of an outline.

Perhaps because I am new to this program, I found the manual presentation to be awkward, time consuming and confusing. I looked for an option to convert the whole thing to a standard Word or pdf document. There was a colored block that invited me to "Print this if you want to print the entire manual" Clicking the block did nothing. I highlighted the block and went used the Word print menu and it printed the page of colored blocks (i.e. about 10 sentences of the manual".

I looked on the Writing Manual site, but I could not find any pdf or standard word version of the manual.

The menu found in the Writing Manual tab is rather sparse. For me, at least, the use of the product does not appear to offer any advantages. If could review a standard manual, perhaps I would gain a perception of some advantage.

Word, itself has a number of organizational tools, such as internal links, that I think are better, from an organizational perspective, then a bunch of colored boxes with a sentence or two squeeze in. Again, perhaps a manual would give me another insight.
Apr 8 2020 at 11:46pm Copy Link
Dunking Hmm. Well I purchased this yesterday, installed it and checked it was there in Word, then forgot about it while I got on with other stuff. Today my PC got stuck during boot for the first time in... well, I can't remember the last time. Required a power-off to get out of it and restart. Perhaps it's just the warm weather, but I am not looking forward to tomorrow's startup...
Apr 9 2020 at 3:58am Copy Link
Edwin Yip @David, Thanks for sharing your opinions! What features do you think WritingOutliner should add for Plot and Character development?

@Heather, Thanks for the bug reports, I'll check them.

@Louis, Great to hear that WritingOutliner is of helpful!

@Dennis, Not sure about the System 5 Error you have, but if you have a chance to submit the bug reports please do it and I'll check them.

@Kevin, definitely there are room for WritingOutliner to improve on a multi-monitor setup.

@HJ, you are right, a better form of the manual should be provided for new users. It'll be done.
Innovation Gear - Apr 9 2020 at 4:09am Copy Link
Edwin Yip @Dunking, sorry for the PC boot issue you had, but I don't think WritingOutliner would affect your system like that, because the WritingOutliner installer only adds it as an Word add-in to Word, it doesn't affect the Windows system otherwise. Let me know if you have other new findings and I might be able to help you :)
Innovation Gear - Apr 9 2020 at 4:16am Copy Link
Dennis User Here is the message I receive:

RED X: Unable to execute the file in the temporary directory. Setup aborted. Error 5: Access is denied.

I tried this 10 times. I hope the adage that "doing the same thing over and over is a sign of ....."

I would love to try this program. Also, never have I had a problem loading programs on the Windows 10 based machine.
Apr 9 2020 at 6:21am Copy Link
HJ User Further to my prior note I assume the manual, itself, is an illustration of what a Writing Ouliner document looks like.
1. Is there a way to print the entire "outline" to a printer, with one or two clicks?

2. The theory of WO seems to be that headings are on discrete pages. Is there a way to print the document out to a printer, but with the blank space eliminated, so as not to unnecessarily use a lot of paper.

3. I attempted to print the outline to a pdf, and I received an error code with the request that I permit status data to go to, with my email address. I agreed. is there a pdf compatibility issue? Will I get a note back from the
Apr 9 2020 at 8:16am Copy Link
Edwin Yip @Dennis, I guess the anti-virus/security software on your system might be is blocking the WritingOutliner installer. And don't worry, WritingOutliner is digitally signed, clean as proved by
Innovation Gear - Apr 9 2020 at 8:42am Copy Link
Edwin Yip @HJ,
1 - Sorry, not yet.
2 - If I understand you correctly, you can try compile/merge the project or just a brunch of it, then print the resulting document. But please ensure you have selected the correct 'Insert Break Before' document-level option for each documents before performing the merging.
3 - Sorry I don't follow, can you give me more details? You can send your email to support (at)
Innovation Gear - Apr 9 2020 at 8:48am Copy Link
IQ User I excluded the Version History folder (due to formatting issues), compiled the rest of the WO Manual, exported to a Word Document, assigned Heading Styles based on formatting, created a Table of Contents, saved and finally exported as a PDF with Bookmarks based on Headings. The whole process took about 20 minutes. Everyone can download both the DOCX and PDF by clicking on the link below:
Apr 9 2020 at 10:15am Copy Link
Craig S. I'm really intrigued by this Scrivener-like add-in for Word, but after multiple installs, uninstalls, reinstalls, etc., I'm still having so many error messages and crashes in Word that I'm going to have to pass for this round. Hoping some of this gets ironed out in the future and I'll check back in.
Apr 9 2020 at 10:41am Copy Link
HJ User @IQ User
I am not sure how you did it, but congratulations. That said, what I get from your summary is that printing out a WO project takes 20 minutes. I guess that means any time one wants to print out a changed WO project, that is another 20 minutes. From your description it sounds like the result of installing WO is a WO program with a Word add-on, rather than the other way around.

@Edwin Yip
Thank you for your response.

As to item 2, I cannot say whether the conditions you describe were in the document. The document is the WO user manual.

As to item 3, the error was accompanied by an option to click ok if I wanted the data sent to you. I said ok. So, you should already have it. I do not, since there was no option to save.
Apr 9 2020 at 3:43pm Copy Link
IQ User @HJ : A properly designed Outline with assigned Heading Styles in the original Documents takes all of 1 minute to Compile/Merge into a Document that can be immediately printed or exported for further review/cleanup. I've had WO for less than 48 hours and was working with an unfamiliar Outline.

The 20 minutes mentioned included an initial Compile/Export with the Version History folder causing issues, figuring out how to Exclude that folder, a 2nd & 3rd Compile/Export to test a few options; that all took about 10 minutes. The other 10 minutes was caused by the Headings in the original Manual Documents not being assigned the proper Heading Styles; this required several rounds of Selecting text based on formatting and assigning Heading Styles. After that, creating the Table of Contents and exporting as a PDF with Bookmarks took only seconds as well.

If you assign appropriate Heading Styles in each Document/Element, the Compile process to create the Merged Document takes a matter of seconds. You can then print it or export it as a separate DOCX for final review and clean up. You can also Compile any Branch of your outline separately so you can work in your project in Sections.
Apr 9 2020 at 5:08pm Copy Link
Edwin Yip @IQ, Thank you very much for taking the time to tidy up the "WritingOutliner Manual" project and export it as a PDF! Actually, I'm planning to make a feature for exporting the entire project as a PDF for the future versions.
Innovation Gear - Apr 11 2020 at 2:02am Copy Link
Edwin Yip @Craig, Sorry for the issues you have experienced, I wish you have utilized the
WritingOutliner's Bug Report dialog and reported the issues. You are welcomed to check WritingOutliner again later.

@HJ, Thank you for the bug reports!
Innovation Gear - Apr 11 2020 at 2:07am Copy Link
Edwin Yip The promo has been ended and I want to say thank you to all for purchasing WritingOutliner and those who have given me valuable feedback during the discussions!
Innovation Gear - Apr 11 2020 at 2:10am Copy Link
IQ User @Edwin : I was happy to work with the Manual as it provided a good sample project to review WO's capabilities and I needed it for my own education. I'll send you a copy when I finish getting it cleaned up further.

As for the direct PDF export in WO, that seems like a duplication of effort considering how good MS Word's built-in PDF support is. It's also always useful to review the whole Merged document before committing it to a fixed PDF format.

I'm still learning WO's capabilities but the 2 areas of improvement that I see are somewhat related; 1) a way to review the status of all Elements in a Branch; 2) a way to build multiple Merge Outlines referencing a common Repository of Elements/Documents (all edits of a common Element are automatically reflected in each Outline).

Thanks for your renewed interest in advancing this product and I hope that this promotion has been successful for you.
Apr 11 2020 at 11:53am Copy Link
Eduardo Amado I compiled the manual and printed it to PDF using MS Word's PDF support without any issue. Did not had any of the problems other mates posted in this conversation. But I missed the columns view of the former version of WO. This addon was near to convert itself as a Scrivener for Windows killer. Now it is a bit far away of that accomplishement.
Apr 11 2020 at 12:11pm Copy Link
Craig S. @Edwin Yip - You wrote: " @Craig, Sorry for the issues you have experienced, I wish you have utilized the
WritingOutliner's Bug Report dialog and reported the issues. You are welcomed to check WritingOutliner again later."

Actually I did submit multiple bug reports (at least three). I'm looking forward to hearing back from you and trying your program again. Have a great weekend.
Apr 11 2020 at 1:50pm Copy Link
Edwin Yip @IQ, Thank you! Re #2, do you mean some kind of mirrored nodes/documents?
Innovation Gear - Apr 11 2020 at 11:28pm Copy Link
Edwin Yip @Craig S, Thank you! I'll check those bug reports.
@Eduardo, Thank you! The Multi-column Outliner View will be added back.
Innovation Gear - Apr 11 2020 at 11:29pm Copy Link
IQ User @Edwin : I want to have individual Node/Documents appear in MULTIPLE Outlines WITHOUT having to DUPLICATE the Document, The way I understand WO is that each Element/Document is "stored" in a separate Record with a Unique ID in the .woprj SQLite database file. I would like to build Outlines that just "reference" those Unique IDs and have WO go back to the single stored Document for Editing and/or Merging.

I'm pulling over hundreds of Webpage clippings on a wide variety of subjects into a single WO Project. When I do a Text Search and/or Tag Filter I want the results to go into a separate Outline that I can Cull, Organize and Merge as I see fit WITHOUT affecting the Repository of Webpages.

Once I have the Query Outline the way I want it, I would like to pull COPIES of the original Documents into the Outline to be edited so that only the relevant information goes into the final Merge.

I used to be a database programmer by trade so I will probably explore the structure of your .WOPRJ files at some point so I can be more specific about this request. Just something for you to think about as you decide on the future of this marvelous app.
Apr 12 2020 at 11:15am Copy Link
Edwin Yip @IQ, Thanks for the detailed explanation. I think I understand what you mean. You are welcomed to explorer the db but you don't have to do so just for giving me more specific description of what you want :)
Innovation Gear - Apr 13 2020 at 6:59am Copy Link

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