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Roberto I bought many outliners. I started with Action Outline, AllMyNotes, myBase, UltraRecall... but Im using TreeProjects since April 2011 because its fast and does the job.
Just want to see a lightweight and robust outliner.
The developer releases frecuently updates (see history in the Smereka website).
Im quite happy with this, now is the first app that i install after format my hard disk (in fact, i keep all my another software licenses inside).
People who needs to keep "revisions" of their documents or source codes can use this outliner (this is not a common feature).
TreeProjects can monitor a foolder and import the files from there too.
Smereka works under SQLite database, and Yaroslav (the developer) is quite accesible and support is great.
This is not a big horse like UltraRecall, but give it a try (or bookmark it for the future).

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi Roberto, thanks a lot for the testimonial!

Hi Peter, yes, TreeProjects can run from a normal USB drive, even if you're logged on as a guest (non-administrator).

To make a portable copy, first install TreeProjects on your PC, and then just copy the directory of TreeProjects (usually "C:/Program Files/Smereka TreeProjects") to a USB drive. It's ready to be run anywhere. You will have to enter the license code on every PC you run it on, though.

Smereka TreeProjects - Sep 5 2011 at 2:27pm Copy Link

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Mark Hayes Please let me know when this becomes available as a 50% off sale item. Thanks

Sep 5 2011 at 5:00pm Copy Link

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Roger Thomasson @ Mark

Go ahead and click the 'I Want This' button. You'll get an email the day it hits the schedule.

-r

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K X I wouldn't have heard of this programif Roberto had not mentioned it a couple of times in various discussions.

I'm glad to see it show up on Bits. I've tried the demo a little and it seems like a very powerful program. I would primarily use it to organize (make a database of) a lot of small rtf files I create on various topics.

I also have a lot of pdf files I need to reference, so it's good to see it will index them. And then there's web site capturing.

Searching is very fast, I love the tagging and the window layout and docking capabilities are really elegant.

Two wish list items for me that come to mind immediately: 1) I'd like to be able to open and read or preview pdfs natively within TreeProjects and not have to launch a separate pdf reader. It would save time.

Something useful to me--which might be quicker to implement in the near future-- would be to be able to specify the pdf editor progam launched by TreeProjects.

Right now TP launches the default Windows pdf program, which is not ideal behavior for me. I use several pdf programs for various reasons. I have a preferred pdf reader, and a preferred pdf editor. TP launches the default pdf reader. I want it to launch a different program, the one I use for editing.

2) I'd like more flexibility for web page capture, something easier than typing in a web address. Ideally, I'd like to see a context menu available from within the browser allowing a page or part of a page to be added to a TP tree. (UltraRecall, Surfulator, and myBase all do this.)

Sep 5 2011 at 7:33pm Copy Link

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Roberto your wish list #1 would be really useful for me too. I got the same feeling first time that i opened the app (im a heavily pdf user too).

Sep 6 2011 at 3:11am Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Yes, I get many requests about inline PDF view, and I will be looking in this direction soon.

Smereka TreeProjects - Sep 6 2011 at 3:24am Copy Link

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Edward Smith Would like to get this deal, but will have no internet access Wednesday night through Sunday of this week. Any possibility of still getting this price?

Sep 6 2011 at 7:19am Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Edward, please contact me when you have Internet access.

Smereka TreeProjects - Sep 6 2011 at 8:23am Copy Link

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S B Roberto,

I, too, have tried several outliners/info managers, but I think your insightful review has just cost me twenty-five bucks! ;-)

Thanks!

Sep 6 2011 at 11:10am Copy Link

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Brian H This program looks very interesting! I am a huge Paperport Pro user right now, but I am always looking for other alternatives. Paperport Pro does offer in-program pdf viewing and editing though, and it seems that this program does not yet. Otherwise, it seems like the two programs offer very similar features. Are there any features of TreeProjects that Paperport does not offer? I'd be interested to hear representative & other BDJ customer's opinions on this. Thanks.

Sep 6 2011 at 10:39pm Copy Link

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Eddie Tex I'm testing it right now. I'm a current TreePad Business user but so far, I see some powerful features that even TreePad can't match, such as the view panes customization capability and the search capabilities. Additionally TreeProjects does a better job with unicode support, handling complex Greek with no issues (something TreePad struggles with).

That said, I have two challenges that would make this product close to perfect if there are resolutions:

1) I have not figured out how to use keyboard shortcuts to apply bullet points and perform indentation (left or right). I have to use the buttons instead, which slows me down while taking lecture notes.

2) While TreeProjects allows you to copy web pages into their database and attach files into the database, there does not appear to be the ability to simply link to either local files/folders or web pages. This capability has been very handy to me with TreePad as I can use it as a launch point into certain files, folders, or websites. Is this already supported? Am I missing something?

For what it's worth, I don't care about PDF support. While it would be very convenient to have, PDF support is complex and high maintenance (frequent updates required to keep up with Adobe).

Sep 6 2011 at 11:08pm Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi Brian, I took a glance at Paperport Pro. Aside from being a much larger app, it seems to be PDF-centered and network-oriented, whereas TreeProjects is more generic and personal. However, inline PDF viewing is something I am going to concentrate on soon due to high demand, and shared database access/collaboration is planned for the next major versions. Unfortunately, I am not very familiar with Paperport Pro to offer deeper analysis, I hope other participants will have more to say.

Smereka TreeProjects - Sep 7 2011 at 12:07am Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi Eddie,

1) Keyboard shortcuts are fixed and not configurable for the rich text item formatting controls yet. This is a nuisance indeed and will be fixed in the next minor versions. (The reason for such a discrepancy is that the rich text item is in fact a plug-in, like all the other types of items, and centralized customizing of plug-ins is still to be developed.)

2) Links to local files and links to remote webpages are not supported - you can only embed the copies into the database. The idea was for the database to be independent and self-contained, so I didn't plan for these things. But I get requests for local links, and I will add them in the future, although probably not very soon.

Smereka TreeProjects - Sep 7 2011 at 12:20am Copy Link

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Stanislav Cermak Hi,

1) I use extra disk for data and the Total Commander (even better than explorer for me). I have got a hierarchy of hundreds of folders and thousands of files. Ok, it will be good to have any management of these files... But I don´t understand - is it substitute of Total Commander? I like TC. How can TreeProjects help me? When I will use TreeProjects the files will be still in folders in my extra disk? There will be only COPIES of files in TreeProjects database? (than it could not be "small portable file"?? how you write). You write that Links to local files are not supported, sou I do not understand exactly.

Can TreeProjects cooperate with Total Commander in any way?

2) Is the licence for forever? What about upgrades?

Thanks for answers.
Standa

Sep 7 2011 at 3:28am Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi Standa Kunes,

1) These are great questions which boil down to "what personal databases actually are". A short answer - no, they are very different from file managers. A longer answer can be found in an introduction to personal databases that I wrote here - http://personaldatabase.org/how-it-works . It may help you decide whether or not a personal database will be of help in your particular case. If you find it helpful, you may want to proceed to TreeProjects FAQ - http://personaldatabase.org/faq .

2) Upgrades to minor versions are free (an automatic updater will check for updates and install them semi-automatically). Upgrades to very major updates may be for a fee, but I do not plan to release a paid upgrade version in the near future.

Smereka TreeProjects - Sep 7 2011 at 3:44am Copy Link

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Edward Smith I cannot get TreeProjects to index Office 2010 64bit files. Office is installed, iFilter is enabled, but the files will not index. Is Office 2010 64 bit not supported?

Sep 7 2011 at 7:02am Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi Edward,

I haven't tested TreeProjects with the 64-bit editions of Office. But it is very possible that TreeProjects, which is currently only compiled as a 32-bit binary, cannot call into the filters of the 64-bit edition of Office 2010.

There are 32-bit IFilters for Office 2010 ( http://www.microsoft.com/...n&id=17062 ) which will work with TreeProjects, but I am unsure whether they can be installed in parallel to a 64-bit office installation. Most likely not. And unfortunately, I do not have access to a 64-bit system at the moment to try this out.

Smereka TreeProjects - Sep 7 2011 at 7:34am Copy Link

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Edward Smith Office 2003 and Office 2007 files index just fine on my computer, but Office 2010 files do not. Have no idea if 32 bit 2010 files will index since I do not have that version, but at least on my system, Office 2010 64 bit files will not index.

Sep 7 2011 at 7:35am Copy Link

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Edward Smith I will try your link when I get back Sunday night. Thanks.

Sep 7 2011 at 7:38am Copy Link

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Jeroen Roeterd Hello,

I saw this discussion and allthough I do have a 64-bits laptop it is installed with a 32-bits Windows 7 Ultimate version. So I can not test it.

I did try to attach an Office 2010 32-bit Word document in Smereka and it is indeed being indexed. So I think that the problem is indeed with beging 64-bit.

Hope this helpes.

Jeroen

Sep 7 2011 at 12:02pm Copy Link

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K X I've been using this program for a few days and really love how intelligently programmed and uncluttered it is, while being powerful and fast. I've tried other database programs that have been around longer and have more features (myBase, UltraRecall, TreePad X) , but I'm sure I will be using this the most for databases of rtf files daily.

I'll probably still use some other software for managing my pdfs and web clippings, but for an rtf database this is tops. Using tags is so easy compared to myBase or UltraRecall's keywords.

Superb, fast, responsive tech support also.

As an aside, does anyone know an easy way to insert a web hyperlink into an rtf file while editing it in TreeProjects?. My current idea is do it somehow by setting up a macro with PhraseExpress.

The reason I'm wondering is that I've been doing all my rtf creating in Atlantis Word Processor for months, and that program has a button for creating hyperlinks. I don't see a similar button in TP's rtf editor, but the hyperlinks created in Atlantis rtf files I have imported into TP do work correctly (i.e. clicking on a hyperlink opens it in my browser).

Sep 7 2011 at 8:22pm Copy Link

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David Dinwiddie As a test, I imported several hundred RTF files into TreeProjects. All I can say is "Wow!", I've never seen such speed and just the feeling of well-made stability in a product navagating such large files. Very impressive!!!

Sep 7 2011 at 9:01pm Copy Link

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Jerry S The demo is very impressive and as soon as the deal goes live, I will be ordering.

Add me to the list who would like inline PDF capabilities.

Am I correct in stating that even with Adobe iFilter installed, PDF files are not indexed?

Jerry

Sep 7 2011 at 11:05pm Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi K X,

"does anyone know an easy way to insert a web hyperlink into an rtf file while editing it in TreeProjects" - Typing the link or pasting it should work fine. When the resulting link is clicked, the default web browser opens.

Smereka TreeProjects - Sep 7 2011 at 11:39pm Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi Jerry, If your system has PDF IFilters installed, PDF files are indexed and can be searched.

PDF IFilters come bundled in Adobe Reader 8 or later. If you don't like the bulky Adobe Reader (I don't), you can install standalone PDF IFilters from here - http://www.adobe.com/supp...ftpID=2611 . This link will also come up in TreeProjects when it detects that a PDF file failed to index.

Smereka TreeProjects - Sep 7 2011 at 11:44pm Copy Link

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Jerry S Thanks for the quick response. I may not understand how the indexing and search functions are supposed to operate with regard to PDF files.

I have Adobe Reader 9 and Adobe Acrobat Pro 9 installed on this machine.

I imported a folder containing 3 PDF files and got the window advising me to install Adobe iFilter, which I did. (The install may not have worked since I got nothing after the UAC window seeking permission.)

If I search for words known to be in the PDF, I get no results. I've tried this with the file closed and open in Acrobat.

I am running Windows 7 Professional 64 bit.

Any suggestions?

Jerry

Sep 7 2011 at 11:55pm Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Jerry, this issue may be specific to the PDF files. For instance, if they were scanned in, but not OCRed, there is no textual information to begin with. Also, PDF IFilter may incorrectly tokenize the PDF file. And although TreeProjects has been consistently working fine with PDFs, there is also a chance of a bug in the program itself. It would be best if you sent one of the PDFs to me via the support address of TreeProjects. It won't be disclosed to third parties. Thanks!

Smereka TreeProjects - Sep 8 2011 at 12:02am Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach And yes, if your Acrobat Reader came with 64-bit IFilters, TreeProjects won't be able to use them.

Smereka TreeProjects - Sep 8 2011 at 12:10am Copy Link

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Jerry S Thanks, Yaroslav. I am now a proud registered user of TreeProjects. :) The PDF files are indeed scans and while I think one has been OCRed, I am not certain. I will check in the morning and if I continue to encounter problems, I will send them on to you. Thanks for an excellent product and double-thanks for offering it on BitsDuJour at an irresistible price.

Jerry

Sep 8 2011 at 12:16am Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Thank you very much, Jerry.

Smereka TreeProjects - Sep 8 2011 at 12:18am Copy Link

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Roberto looks like many people interested in pdf management.

some years ago i used an app with this pdf extractor as plugin:
http://www.glyphandcog.com/XpdfText.html

its easy to use :)

i dont know too much details about the license cost.

Sep 8 2011 at 12:44am Copy Link

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mnazmi hi,

I use 64bit win7 pro (retail) and 64 bit office plus 2010. I tested TreeProjects , and every thing is OK ,Word and excel files are indexed. Searching these files has no problem.

Yaroslav Pidstryhach ,I have lots of word and excel files and I prefer to see inline office files view , like rtf. Do you think including office files too, inline view ?

Sep 8 2011 at 2:13am Copy Link

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Marvin Adams Yaroslav,
I'll buy this because it looks really nice, because your web site shows much much effort you have put into all this, because the lady in your feature video has such a cute accent, and because I am, too, a developer with a wife and a kid :)

Thank you very much for providing such a great piece of software!

Sep 8 2011 at 2:44am Copy Link

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Marc Lingenfelter Is it possible to place Outlook Items (eMail, Tasks, etc) into the database.

Sep 8 2011 at 3:36am Copy Link

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VLM Roberto, you mentioned AllMyNotes. I bought this license here recently. To help me decide whether to buy this product today, would you be willing to share some observations about how these 2 differ?

Thanks!

Sep 8 2011 at 4:19am Copy Link

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VLM Yaroslav - Do you believe TreeProjects essentially replaces a conventional file manager, such as Win Explorer, DOpus, TotalCommander, etc?

Also, if TreeProjects is importing files from their existing locations on disk, does this essentially double disk space utilization for those files? Disk space is fairly cheap, but one still must plan ahead. :)

Thanks!

Sep 8 2011 at 5:29am Copy Link

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Roberto With AllMyNotes you have to create a note, and attach the file inside, but you cant search the contents of the file.

AllMyNotes can't keep atachments as nodes of the tree.

I usually keep pdf files, docs, key files, and small binary files. I can search the "readable" files by content (this is a must have for me).

Another diference is about revisions, sometimes at job i want to keep some old versions in the outliner.

TP has a basic template system.

Also, TreeProjects can keep the deleted items in the trash bin. I like to have my tree clean and many times i store my completed tasks in the bin for a while.

I use the tags feature too. The tag filter works quite well. Looks like the search capabilities of TreeProjects are better. You can 'search and replace' inside a note.

The monitored folder is useful too, i create pdf proposals for my clients and keep all in the monitored folder. Again, I can search them by contents later inside TreeProject after they are imported automaticaly.

Smereka can create references (links to another items in the outliner). I use this feature few times, only for cataloguing the software that i buy :)

AllMyNotes has a beautiful interface. Nice icons, skinable. I LOVE the BULLETS feature. I like how it handles the "change icon", colours, priority tasks. Context menus are really fast and convenient (smereka uses a keystroke for many tasks, create notes, change icons.. looks like more keyboard focused).

The user interaction is smoother in AllMyNotes. I dont like to see in TP messages like "Error: Cant move the item to itself" when i make a "bad click" in one item and move it slightly. But this is a minor annoyance. Sometimes i close a dialog in AMN and i have render problems in the interface (from time to time half dialog remains in the screen).

Both programs can handle tables and images, but AMN does this job better.

sorry my english.. i have to leave office now and i not checked my long text in deep.

both are good apps, you cant make wrong :)

Sep 8 2011 at 6:15am Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi M.Nazmi Özmilli, - Yes, I am planning to add inline Office file view as well.

Hi Marc, - You can place emails as Rich Text items. Besides direct copy-paste, there are less clunky methods provided like saving to monitored folder or hotkey capturing. That's how I save my important emails. You also can place the ".eml" or "msg" files as File items (attachments). There is no special support for Outlook objects other than that.

Thanks a lot, Marvin! :-)

Smereka TreeProjects - Sep 8 2011 at 6:26am Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi Presiding Emissary,

"Do you believe TreeProjects essentially replaces a conventional file manager, such as Win Explorer, DOpus, TotalCommander, etc" - No, not at all. To put it very briefly, a file manager is a tool that provides access to files on the disk; a personal database is a tool that *stores* items of different types, files being one of the types.

Imagine, for example, a box full of letters in envelopes. A file manager is like a personal secretary to whom you can say "Give me that letter" or "Move it from here to there" or "Destroy it" or "Read every single letter and give me letters with the word 'Yaroslav' in it". A personal database is like a cool briefcase with lots of sections and pockets, where you can *store* the letters, magically retrieve them very quickly based on the content of the letters and other things.

More detailed explanation of the personal database concept may be found here: http://personaldatabase.org/how-it-works and http://personaldatabase.org/faq .

To be continued...

Smereka TreeProjects - Sep 8 2011 at 6:38am Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach "Also, if TreeProjects is importing files from their existing locations on disk, does this essentially double disk space utilization for those files? Disk space is fairly cheap, but one still must plan ahead. :)"

First, off a fun fact: when you import a hundred megabytes of PDFs and DOCs into TreeProjects, you will end up with a database file that usually takes up _less_ space than the original files. That despite the fact that the database will already contain a ready-to-use search index. I don't like wasting disk space, cheap as it may be, and I went to great lengths to ensure database files were compact. (More precisely, to hit the sweet spot between speed and size.)

Secondly, once you import a file into TreeProjects, you do not have to keep the original on the disk. If you want to edit an imported file, go ahead and press the "Edit" button - when you're done editing your file, it will be imported back into the database automatically, with the added bonus of the previous version of it optionally preserved in the database. And of course, you can export the file back to disk at any time. That's how I do it with my other projects' documentation: I do not store the originals.

Smereka TreeProjects - Sep 8 2011 at 6:48am Copy Link

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P Diddy Dear Yaroslav, I downloaded and tried the demo. This looks like an excellent and fast tree organizer/editor, better than most others I've tried. One key feature, important to me, that I'd like to see in the program (and haven't seen in others) is preservation and adjustment of timestamps. For instance, I might like to import hundreds of old text and RTF files from years ago, to maintain that info in the program, but I also want to preserve the exact timestamps of the original files. Similarly, I may want to re-export those nodes, or any other nodes, and duplicate the node structure (exact folder and file names) along with the original modification times in the exported files. I may also want the ability to change the timestamps of a folder/file manually inside the program. Currently, I don't see these behaviors in the program, but it looks like it could be added with little fuss and work along with the excellent revisions feature. My 2 cents...

Sep 8 2011 at 6:53am Copy Link

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K X I like the idea of retaining the creation date associated with the file if it's being imported. I don't know how hard that would be to implement.

Because exporting came up in the discussion, I decided to try doing that (a feature I hadn't previously experimented with). I tried just exporting a single rtf file. What had been filename.rtf was exported as a folder 1_filename_rtf with a file inside of it called contents.rtf.

Is there an option for exporting the rtf file with the original file name as seen within the tree? (So I wouldn't have to manually rename it myself?)

Sep 8 2011 at 8:38am Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi P Diddy,

the creation date of items is stored in databases, although not currently displayed anywhere. I might think about setting this field to the timestamp of the imported file, not the date of importing.

You can export nodes and branches just fine, although the tree structure will differ slightly from the original imported tree structure. The reason: in TreeProjects, items can be children of other items, not just folders. This is not representable in the file system.

Smereka TreeProjects - Sep 8 2011 at 8:40am Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach K X, In TreeProjects, items can be children of other items, which is handy and flexible. In the file system, files can only be children of folders, not other files. This is the reason why TreeProjects creates a folder for each item, so that other items can reside in it, and places the content inside.

If you know a better way to "map" the flexible item tree onto the file system, you are welcome to suggest!

Smereka TreeProjects - Sep 8 2011 at 8:44am Copy Link

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VLM Roberto, thank you for the GREAT comparison between TreeProjects and AllMyNotes!!! That helps me a lot!

Yaroslav, thank you for the explanations about file managers and disk utilization. One follow-up question, for clarification. I do a lot of work in Adobe FrameMaker, which is not likely a supported file format. From within TreeProjects, if I choose to edit a FrameMaker document, will TreeProjects open it in the correct application and then pull it back in later, just like a supported file format?

I don't believe I could remove FrameMaker files from disk anyway, because this product is very book-oriented (for creating long documents), and a FrameMaker book looks for its components in specified locations.

Also, sometimes I preserve a web page by creating a PDF, works very nicely for me in some cases. Does TreeProjects have any awareness of what is occurring, say, in a browser such as Firefox, so that I can save the PDF straight into TreeProjects database? Or would I first have to create the PDF, then manually pull it into TreeProjects? (likely :)

Sep 8 2011 at 1:38pm Copy Link

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VLM My vote for preserving original date/time stamps, both creation and modification, on both import and export ... at least the option to do so (and the ability to make this the default).

Also, my vote for preserving the original filename on export. I understand the explanation about enhanced parent-child relationships, but I don't understand why the object name itself has to change. ???

Sep 8 2011 at 1:43pm Copy Link

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Tazzie I agree with P Diddy and would also like to see those elements included in TP.

@ Yaroslav .... I very much appreciate how much you have contributed to these questions and discussions, and taking the time to explain and "teach" (very helpful to non-programmers like me!). I have other programs like UltraRecall, etc., and try not to overlap/duplicate functions as much as I can among programs. However, with the excellent features of TP and a developer who is so responsive and willing to work with our needs and wants to incorporate them in TP, whatever duplication/overlap there is in TP is well worth it, and I plan seriously consider TP!

Sep 8 2011 at 2:07pm Copy Link

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Tazzie @ Yaroslav ... I have been working in TP, and have not been able to find a way to customize the UI, esp the fonts. The small size of the fonts is frustrating, esp after working in TP for a while. Is there a way to change this?

Sep 8 2011 at 2:14pm Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach "From within TreeProjects, if I choose to edit a FrameMaker document, will TreeProjects open it in the correct application and then pull it back in later, just like a supported file format?" - Yes, as long as FrameMaker is the default app for FrameMaker files, which I am sure is the case.

"Does TreeProjects have any awareness of what is occurring, say, in a browser such as Firefox, so that I can save the PDF straight into TreeProjects database?" - You can save the PDF straight into the database by saving it into the "monitored folder". A monitored folder is a folder that TreeProjects, you guessed it, monitors, and automatically imports everything that is placed there. You don't even have to switch to TreeProjects, it will silently import your file in the background.

Smereka TreeProjects - Sep 8 2011 at 2:16pm Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach "Also, my vote for preserving the original filename on export." - TreeProjects does preserve original filenames of files ("File" items) when exporting.

When exporting rich texts, however, though it names the containing folder according to the item title, it gives the file itself a generic name. So are you suggesting to name the resulting file item title.rtf? Please note that rich texts are not always imported, they may be created in TreeProjects itself, whereby there is no original filename to begin with.

Smereka TreeProjects - Sep 8 2011 at 2:28pm Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi Tazzie, - there is no way to increase the font size in the TreeProjects' UI. Instead, TreeProjects uses the default Windows font and color settings (which is, to my mind, the right thing to do). So you may go to Control Panel and increase the default system font size, which will increase the font size in TreeProjects accordingly.

In Windows XP, it's "Control Panel -- Display -- Settings tab -- Advanced button -- DPI setting". In Windows 7 it's "Control Panel -- Display" (that's it).

By the way, text and rich text items can be zoomed in by using Ctrl+Plus or Ctrl+Mousewheel.

Smereka TreeProjects - Sep 8 2011 at 2:45pm Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Dear all, Nighttime has come to my timezone and I will have to pause the conversation for a while. I will come back in several hours to answer new questions, before TreeProjects' time is up. Thanks everyone!

Smereka TreeProjects - Sep 8 2011 at 2:53pm Copy Link

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Peter Heunichen Hi there,

I downloaded the test version, but it didn't work properly and I uninstalled it immediately.
I tried to import a folder, but at the first pdf-file in the folder the program stopped responding. After closing it and running it again I imported some rtf-files (written with Atlantis), but only some of them could be viewed in TreeProjects, the otheres triggered an error message that the rtf-file cannot be read (I forgot the exact error message).
I think I rather stick to UltraRecall which works very reliable.

Sep 8 2011 at 5:05pm Copy Link

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K X Peter, Don't give up. I'm sure Yaroslav will want to figure what's going on with that particular pdf. (I've not run into any pdf issues myself..)

As for Atlantis, I know the error message you're talking about because I emailed him about it a few days ago and he's figured it out already. The fixed version of TreeProjects works fine with importing Atlantis-created rtf files and will be available for download very soon.

Sep 8 2011 at 5:21pm Copy Link

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VLM You can save the PDF straight into the database by saving it into the "monitored folder". A monitored folder is a folder that TreeProjects, you guessed it, monitors, and automatically imports everything that is placed there. You don't even have to switch to TreeProjects, it will silently import your file in the background.

Great! How does TreeProjects know where to put it, tag it, that sort of thing? Is there some sort of follow-up location?

Sep 8 2011 at 5:28pm Copy Link

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VLM So are you suggesting to name the resulting file item title.rtf? Please note that rich texts are not always imported, they may be created in TreeProjects itself, whereby there is no original filename to begin with.

Yes, this is what I am suggesting. Is there a convenient way to distinguish those files that are imported and those that are created in TP?

Sep 8 2011 at 5:30pm Copy Link

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Edward Atlus Several question:
1. Does TreeProjects automatically index the content of files?
2. Does TP index Powerpoint files?
3. How does one select tags? Must one enter free-form (slow, unreliable) or is there a system that allows one to create a hierarchy of tags and select from a "pull-down" (faster, much more consistent).

Thanks.

Edwardatlus

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Tazzie @ Yaroslav ... many people have vision difficulties that require more than just tweaking Windows default fonts and colors. I have already done that, and find that the default fonts in TP is small enough that I need to enlarge it. To enlarge the default Windows fonts would wreak havoc with my other programs, etc., and I can't do that for this one program.

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach "Great! How does TreeProjects know where to put it, tag it, that sort of thing?" - it imports the file as a child of the currently selected item, or the root item if nothing is selected. No tagging is automatically performed.

"Is there a convenient way to distinguish those files that are imported and those that are created in TP?" - nope, they are not distinguished. I guess, the titles are as good as it gets. Anyway, the titles of imported RTFs are the original filenames.

Smereka TreeProjects - Sep 8 2011 at 11:37pm Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi Edward,

"Does TreeProjects automatically index the content of files?" - Yes.

"Does TP index Powerpoint files? " - Yes, when Office is installed, or when Office IFilters are installed.

"Must one enter free-form (slow, unreliable) or is there a system that allows one to create a hierarchy of tags and select from a "pull-down" (faster, much more consistent)." - You can enter them free-form, and there's an autocomplete/suggestion list in the tag field. Or you can bulk-tag items in a special dialog, where you can select, add, remove tags from many items at once.

Smereka TreeProjects - Sep 8 2011 at 11:42pm Copy Link

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jeroen roeterd "Great! How does TreeProjects know where to put it, tag it, that sort of thing? Is there some sort of follow-up location?"
ANSWER : When using the special folder monitoring Smereka will place the imported files as a child of the current item with no possiblity to automatically tag it (as far as I know :-)).

"Yes, this is what I am suggesting. Is there a convenient way to distinguish those files that are imported and those that are created in TP?"
ANSWER : I use TP for a while and manually created rich text items are created without the extension .rft in the name. Imported rich text documents are named like the imported document including the extension. That is how I see the difference between manually and imported RTF items.

"1. Does TreeProjects automatically index the content of files?
2. Does TP index Powerpoint files?
3. How does one select tags? Must one enter free-form (slow, unreliable) or is there a system that allows one to create a hierarchy of tags and select from a "pull-down" (faster, much more consistent)."
ANSWER : If the file-type can be indexed it will automatically be indexed. TP does indeed index powerpoint files (testen of Win7, Office 2010 32-bit). Tags can be added by starting to type with auto-completion or select from a list (not pull-down but seperate window).

"@ Yaroslav ... many people have vision difficulties that require more than just tweaking Windows default fonts and colors. I have already done that, and find that the default fonts in TP is small enough that I need to enlarge it. To enlarge the default Windows fonts would wreak havoc with my other programs, etc., and I can't do that for this one program."
ANSWER : I have a 1920*1600 resolution and the font but also the icons are very small. There is already a todo to make enlarged icons available (16*16, 32*32, 64*64, ect.). Not sure on the font size though.

Jeroen

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi Peter,

A TreeProjects user already contacted me regarding Atlantis-generated RTF files that could not be imported. I already resolved the problem and a new version will be released within days that fixes it.

I am sorry your PDF file didn't import properly. It usually takes a while to import the first PDF, because part of Adobe Reader is actually started up at that point in the background - and large file will take a long time to be tokenized as well. If you believe there's a problem with TreeProjects itself, which is quite possible, you'll do me a great favor by mailing the problematic file.

Smereka TreeProjects - Sep 8 2011 at 11:59pm Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Tazzie, you raise a valid point and I will see how the UI font size can be made customizable.

Smereka TreeProjects - Sep 9 2011 at 12:03am Copy Link

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Michael K @Yaroslav Pidstryhach - Vendor

I have bought a lot of software promoted on Bits based on other members' experiences and reviews. One of the people whose opinions I have a lot of respect for is Roberto and he has posted favorably on your software.

In view of Roberto's comments, I decide to look more closely and see from your website that Tree Projects was first launched in March 2011 with version 1.

Tree Projects progressed with various updates from March to reach version 1.1.5 which was released in Oct 2011. The following month on 9 November, you released V2.0 and I have some observations to make as a result.

Your support policy states:
Upgrades to future versions of the software will be free for minor versions only.
Support is provided up to when the next major version is released.

As I mentioned, your first release of Tree Projects was in March and only went to version 1.1.5 before making the leap to version 2 a few months later.

This period to a major and therefore paid release is rather short as far as I am concerned and particularly given that it only reached v1.1.5 in any event.

Now Tree Project is on version 2.4 and I am wondering how long before I'd need to pay again in order to keep current with your software in case another paid upgrade is on it's way.in a short time.

Could you also please say what Tree Projects upgrade costs are, as this together with the length of time between paid upgrades, is part of my decision making thinking when I consider moving to new software.

Thanks

Michael

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi Michael,

Version 2.0, released November 2011, was a free upgrade. Version 3.0 (planned this summer) will be a free upgrade. There *may* be a paid upgrade when there is a very big step forward that will redefine TreeProjects - for example, a distributed/collaborative version. This is why I didn't choose the "Free upgrades for life" item. But I think that won't happen sooner than at least a year or two from now.

I revisited my product page and discovered there was a setting that matched the above policy much better. So thanks for asking.

Yaroslav

Smereka TreeProjects - Feb 13 2012 at 5:01am Copy Link

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Roberto The term “eating your own dogfood,” in the software industry, means using the code you’re developing for your own daily needs: basically, being a user as well as a developer, so the user empathy that is the hallmark of good software comes automatically.

There are words from Joel Spolsky that I think define Treeprojects too. Its improved "everyday" because the developer use it in his "own daily needs".

I think you will like it Michael K. :)

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Michael K @ Yaroslav & Roberto

Thank you both - I am now much reassured and will be buying Tree Projects.

I am well satisfied that I am buying a good product from an ethical and interested developer

Thanks Roberto, I always look forward to your input which is much appreciated.

However Roberto, can you please help me explain to my wife that I am buying yet another piece of software on your recommendation ;-)

Thanks

Michael

Feb 13 2012 at 7:35am Copy Link

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Jean Sibe What would you consider advantages for TreeProjects vs Ultra Recall?

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Roberto Michael K: maybe we have to buy a great valentine present for them.

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi Jean Sibe,

Of course as the author I'll be biased here, but I find two areas where TreeProjects seems to be better than other PDBs/PIMs, including UltraRecall: the speed and the ease of use. I went to great lengths to ensure that the user interface was responsive, free from excessive flicker and optimal with respect to CPU cycles. Also, I always try to design the UI to be as simple and expressive as possible, so that, ideally, the user can begin working without consulting the help file. Despite some known usability issues that still need to be ironed out, I feel I succeeded making TreeProjects faster, simpler, and generally more pleasant to work with than most other similar products, according to my own experience and to some of the user feedback.

To speak about the most important advantages of TreeProjects versus UltraRecall:

- UltraRecall doesn't seem to index files as aggressively as TreeProjects. After I include a cyrillic Word file in an UltraRecall database, the file doesn't come up in search results when I search for words in the file. In TreeProjects, this will work.

- UltraRecall doesn't preview stored files. TreeProjects has one-click preview for PDF, Office, image and other types of files (Office files can even be edited inline), similarly to built-in text items.

- TreeProjects has a special "Email message" item type that allows to preview the contents of a stored email message, as well as do basic things with it. UltraRecall treats stored email messages as generic files.

- Although UltraRecall has tabs, you can't arrange the opened items like this: http://personaldatabase.o...eral_2.png

I might have missed something important, because I am not very familiar with UltraRecall. And, of course, UR also has features that TreeProjects doesn't.

Smereka TreeProjects - Feb 13 2012 at 9:05am Copy Link

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Michael K @ Jean

With regard to your question concerning Ultra Recall, all I can say is that I read many good things about it on Bits and downloaded the trial. Personally, I found it very difficult to use and not as intuitive as modern software so often is.these days.

The following is an extract from an e-mail I wrote to the developer and he did respond in a helpful way but I found my experience with the program too painful to continue with it and I did not purchase it.

Extract from my e-mail to the developer of Ultra Recall::

..."Having had the Ultra Recall trial for several days it has taken me from 0 - 100 in terms of frustration at lightening speed to the point where I actually Googled "Ultra Recall Alternatives" this morning.

Yor softwware is full of exciting promise in terms of functionality but I am finding it impossible to realize it's potentional and I so much want to be able to use the best it has to offer.

I wrote a request in the forum for instructional videos to which you pointed me to some you've already done. I looked at them and tried to do some pretty basic stuff without any success whatsoever. For example, I tried this morning to rename a Journal Item's Title and became overwhelmingly frustrated at not being able to. I could note find a way of it just saying "1", "2" "3" without making it a text document. When it was a "journal" info item it defaulted to the date and time it was created for the title . I added the "Item Title" attribute but it did not pick that up and so it made me feel the effort in trying to work out such simple things was just not worth it."

Your experience may be different to mine and you could test drive the trial as I did and make your own judgement. For my part, I'll buy Tree Projects although I must confess to not having tried the trial yet but if I run in to trouble with that, there's always Roberto or Yaroslav to shout "HELP" to ;-)

Thanks

Michael

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Neil It lookks interesting...I'm trying the demo. Overall it works very well, responsive, and not cumbersome.

Constructive Criticism:

1) the file view isn't quite as good as just storing in the file system. For example, if I store JPEGs in the file system I can see a whole folder full of thumbnails at once. I don't see how to do this in Treeprojects yet.

2) the web capture facility is a bit inconvenient relative to other solutions I have tried -- notably Evernote. With Evernote, I can capture any webpage (in chrome) and have it immediately stored in the datatbase, just by selecting a menu that's part of the evernote plugin for chrome. And in my quick tests, it had no problem capturing a page from Google Docs, whereas Treeprojects was unable to (probably because Google Docs is not "ordinary HTML". Here I also tried drag and drop of a URL to the app and it doesn't work in treeProjects, as file drag and drop does.

3) What would make me buy this in a second would be a well integrated outliner--or better still, the revamping of the tree into an Ecco like outliner. If you don't know what Ecco is, it's an ancient app from the 1990s that is orphaned, but still has a large user base, and they are hungry for an "as good" replacement taking Ecco forward into the 21st century--including sync to mobile devices. Integrate some of the user interface principles and features of Ecco here, and you will have a "cult-like" following, as Ecco still does (check out the Ecco group in Yahoo).

Note I have no affiliation with any product mentioned above.

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Neil Follow up...I just discovered you can drag and drop a URL to an existing web note, and it imports the page (at least "ordinary HTML pages).

HOWEVER: it's not a convenient way to store pages, because you first have to:

1) Create a web page node/note
2) Cancel out of the URL dialog
3) Then drag and drop to the empty note

It should just let you drop the URL on the tree, and automatically create the node like it does for Files.

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Neil, thanks for the suggestions. Drag-n-drop improvements are in fact scheduled for one of the nearest versions. The goal is to enable dropping URLs, text, and various data objects *to* the TreeProjects tree, as well as dragging text and files *from* various areas of TreeProjects.

Smereka TreeProjects - Feb 13 2012 at 11:56am Copy Link

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Peter Gabriel -' Although UltraRecall has tabs, you can't arrange the opened items like this: http://personaldatabase.o...eral_2.png'

That's one of the reasons why I'll be buying.

Feb 13 2012 at 2:04pm Copy Link

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_*_ Anyone that can help....

I am not sure, but is this like an updated NoteFrog that was just offered on Bits recently?

This looks like a nice program and am very interested.

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Pavi Johnson Hi, just a quick comment so that toes are not stepped on:

UltraRecall does allow preview of stored files, such as PDF, pictures and office documents. They (like all items) have their own node, and in options the file type must be included (under "browser"). I use it to edit word documents inline so that all my research is handy.

It also has forms that are pre-built for email, and .msg and .eml files always use this. I can't speak to the indexing.

Please don't misconstrue my comments as being pro UltraRecall and against TreeProjects - as Yaroslav said, both have strengths. The ability to arrange windows is a strong benefit of TreeProjects, as is the rapid development. I haven't used it other than to demo, but this may be the time I support development.

Best, /Pavi

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Thank you, Pavi. I will edit my comment above to reflect the information you provided.

Follow-up: unfortunately, older comments cannot be edited.

Smereka TreeProjects - Feb 14 2012 at 12:44am Copy Link

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tom drake Pavi already covered the preview and editing in UR, as for the indexing of Cyrillic doc it could have been a bug - I don't depend on this feature but I believe I have encountered some problems related to indexing of non-ASCII (eg. Eastern European encodings) items in UR couple of years ago.
Also, documents are indexed only in pro version of UR, they are not searchable in standard version.

What are nice advantages of TreeProjects over UR (unless I have missed something), not mentioned yet:
- tags - it has more powerful and user friendlier handling of tags
- versioning - you can keep multiple versions of same document
- portability - UR only has pro version portable (if that's of any significance)

Feb 14 2012 at 5:19am Copy Link

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tom drake + one more nice advantage:
it has way more frequent releases than UR

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K X I like TreeProjects and there have been a lot of excellent, positive enhancements since it was previously on Bits du Jour. It's very elegant. Since I have so many imported documents (rtf, pdf) in my TreeProjects databases, the top feature of Ultra Recall that I'd like to see implemented in some way in TreeProjects is to make the Date Created for these items visible or accessible somehow within TreeProjects. And then be able to sort items by Date Created in addition Date Modified.

And a Properties window or something similar to Ultra Recall's "Item Attributes" that lets you click on an item and see some key information including Date Modified and Date Created.

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach K X, thanks for the suggestions, this functionality is planned and is in the issue tracker. (I should say I receive a lot of great suggestions from the users and the backlog is already considerable.)

By the way, please note that some item attributes can be shown as tree columns like this: http://personaldatabase.o...ibutes.png . Please go to the Settings dialog, Display page to enable this mode.

Smereka TreeProjects - Feb 15 2012 at 4:43am Copy Link

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_*_ I am trying out the program and would like to make a suggestion.

I added several items to a new database, and then did a search for an item.
The title was AceMoney and I searched for Ace but Treeprojects did not find anything.
I had to fully type in Acemoney in order for the program to locate what I was looking for.

Is it possible to have it search and find all occurrences of "Ace" for example and not have to match the entire string?

Thanks

Feb 15 2012 at 5:06am Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach M B: yes, it is possible, just append an asterisk to your search query: "Ace*". By the way, this is the default mode for the "Quick find by title" facility.

Smereka TreeProjects - Feb 15 2012 at 5:09am Copy Link

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K X Yaroslav, Thanks for the tip about the display mode for item attributes.

Feb 15 2012 at 6:32am Copy Link

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Michael R. Is there a way to access TreeProjects from outside, e.g. via a C++-API or at least command-line-arguments to add / get / remove and analyze items inside my database?

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi Michael, Currently there's no way to script TreeProjects. However, there is a plugin system for adding own item types, export-import operations, and general extensions. In fact, all the built-in item types and export-import operations are implemented as plugins. If there is demand for the API, I will prepare and publish the SDK.

Smereka TreeProjects - Feb 15 2012 at 11:54pm Copy Link

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Michael R. Hi Yaroslaw and thanks for the fast answer.

I really would prefer an API, probablly because it would be possible to write main-programs which would allow - beside other things - to save information into a TreeProject-file, i.e. would support TreeProjects, but is not too much bounded to TP.

A confirmed (free) API would make me buy your tool today ;-) (even, if I had bought other programs over the last months).

Btw.: I have not found any information about the plugins. Do you have a web-address where they are described?

Thanks a lot...

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Michael, since the SDK is not published yet, there is not much info about the plugin system available (it would not be useful without a possibility to actually use the infrastructure). So I am currently the only user of the plugin API :-)

The demand for a programming interface is currently very low, unlike the demand for user-oriented features, so, unfortunately, I cannot promise that TreeProjects will become programmable very soon. Anyway, thanks for asking!

Smereka TreeProjects - Feb 16 2012 at 1:30am Copy Link

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Tore Hoyem I purchased TreeProjects the last time around, and I'm very happy with it.
Yaroslav is also very responsive to suggestions and bug reports.

Recommended.

Feb 16 2012 at 1:54am Copy Link

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_*_ Is it possible to have the program display each file/item as you arrow down the list automatically? As it works now you have to click on each item in a list to make it display in the right-hand window.

It would be much faster to have it automatically display each file as the cursor is moved through the list of files/items.

Thanks

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach @ M B,

This is intentional. Some items can be heavy to open, and any open item consumes memory. Since in most cases keyboard navigation is used to reach a specific item without opening all the other items on the way, you have to click (or press Enter) if you want to open a specific item.

Note that Enter will switch the focus to the item, removing it from the tree, but F5 will return the focus back to the tree.

Smereka TreeProjects - Feb 16 2012 at 4:14am Copy Link

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Michael K good morning - I'm a buyer thanks to this great conversation and I hope some of the excellent suggestions will find their way into the program in the near future.

Thanks

Michael

Feb 16 2012 at 4:39am Copy Link

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Don Goddard TreeProjects looks like it has a lot of powerful features. Is there a way to share TreeProject databases without violating copyrights and that doesn't allow editing of the file? For example, Treepad has a viewer program that allows you to send the file to another person so they can navigate through data and search it.

Thanks.

Don

Feb 16 2012 at 4:52am Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Don,

At the moment, there is no separate TreeProjects viewer, and there is no way to prevent others from changing published database files.

Smereka TreeProjects - Feb 16 2012 at 4:59am Copy Link

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Don Goddard Yaroslav,

Your tag capability makes TreeProjects very temping. I do research and would like to include a full citation (author, journal, year, abstract) as one of the tree elements. Tagging these elements as "citation" could alert me to the fact I included a citation. That could be very useful to me. I am not as concerned about somone changing the database but occasionally have a need to share information. I assume that I your copyright would allow me to share a database provided the other party has also has a licensed copy of TreeProjects? An alternative would be the capacity to export the data as csv (at least for text data). Thanks for the quick reply. Don

Feb 16 2012 at 8:56am Copy Link

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VLM I don't mean to sound like the village idiot, but at the risk of doing so ...

Does TreeProjects, well utilized, essentially become a very advanced replacement for Windows Explorer ... and for all it's knock-offs, such as Directory Opus, Total Commander, XYplorer, and the like?

Feb 16 2012 at 9:41am Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Don,

You own the copyright to the databases you create. This is granted by copyright law to you as the author. And the license agreement of TreeProjects does not in any way invalidate your rights.

Smereka TreeProjects - Feb 16 2012 at 9:47am Copy Link

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Software Guy Just a few comments here about tags and file viewers and sharing databases. Although there are many notes software titles, and each has its strengths and weaknesses, it is tough to find one that has everything - I know because I constantly monitor these packages. Though I have not personally tried Tree Projects, it looks to be a worthy competitor especially based on some favorable reviews. And the developers in general really do try their best to add features that they have determined useful from their customer feedback. After all, it is their product and they take the greatest pride in what they have developed. So I tend not to directly compare similar software because the developers may have had different priorities in mind. Light, fast and easy is different from full featured but no less valid.
The point I wish to make is that sometimes two different programs might be better suited to your needs than one, and maybe sometimes even a third. For example I use notezilla to tag just about everything from web pages to documents to files. The database can be searched and shared, and it is also just great for reminders. And I like custom icons within the base notes program which can be assigned to a file or groups of files or folders - like a specially colored folder with numbers over it to help to quickly associate files. The similar colors indicate the general topic, and the numbers and letters indicate the subtopic - especially helpful for writing books, papers and general research. When you only have a few files it doesn't matter much, but when you acquire a database of thousands of notes/files it really makes a difference.
And for file viewing i will use fast and light file managers which allow multipane viewing almost as fast as my mouse scrolls past the icons.
Also, I might use as many as 3 different notes software programs on 1 computer because each has its advantages for the job, from minipad2 (a freebie for 32 bit systems) to some of the similar full featured note/project/tree/database software titles as tree projects featured here. They all work well for their intended uses, but sometimes they really work even better when combined with 1 or 2 other pieces of software. This is all just food for thought, because the two issues presented here, file viewing and file tagging are what I tend to think of as 'tradeoff' issues where speed and size are traded for convenience. And do everything programs just tend to get heavy in terms of speed and memory usage. And, based on the reviews, it looks like Tree Projects is quite capable and has a solid, happy following.

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach VLM,

file managers do not store files - they simply list them, and allow to do stuff with them. Personal databases, on the contrary, do store information - so when you add a file to a database, it will stay there, even when the original file is deleted. Moreover, in TreeProjects, a "file" item is one of the several item types, like reminders or email messages.

Please visit http://personaldatabase.org/how-it-works for a discussion on how a personal database differs from file storage.

Smereka TreeProjects - Feb 16 2012 at 9:56am Copy Link

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Steven Avery Hi Folks,

MyBase I think has the "export to friend who has the free viewer" module.

Overall, TreeProjects (sweet), MyBase (maybe a tad more on sophistication, been around many years) and Rightnote (coming soon to Bits) seem to be the "notch above" in note with some data capabilities.

Software guy is right. You might find one better for a research project with quotes and citations (presuming you don't want a special package for that, in advanced cases) while another might be much better for PIM stuff, another much better for that general on-the-fly create and find notes stuff. Also the web-cllpping question comes to play.

If you get the discount, any of those 3 programs have huge potential. In my case I plan to grab TreeProjects today (we have been discussing it on DonationCoder, the nice parts of it I am not going into here) and let time sort out the exact use. The big Bits discount makes this approach possible.

In earlier days I had used Keynote-NF and TreeDBNotes, and both are still fine, in their own way. RightNote is a direct replacement, with discount, for TreeDBNotes, which is very nice in its own way. Another one that intriques me is WhizFolders. After that, there are a few dozen others, some very good,.

As a general advice, I do not think anybody can go wrong with the 3 I mention at top, using Bits discounts. And TreeProjects may be the best in terms of developer responsiveness. Although a forum, even Yahoogroups or googlegroups if a webforum is too much hassle, would be nice.

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Here is one Donationcoder discussion.
http://www.donationcoder....ic=29403.0

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(Note I also recommend ListPro and Swift To-Do, in related but different realms).

Steven

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Don Goddard Yaroslav,

Thanks for the clarification. I was thinking you used a proprietary database format. However, I found on your features page it uses SQLlite. That definitely makes TreeProjects more "sharable". Great job!

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Steven: MyBase, if I'm not mistaken, can even convert a database to a standalone exe file.

Smereka TreeProjects - Feb 16 2012 at 10:56am Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach It is now nighttime in my time zone. I will resume responding to new comments in several hours. Thanks!

Smereka TreeProjects - Feb 16 2012 at 12:42pm Copy Link

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_*_ *Snip* Got it to work

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VLM Thank you, Yaroslav.

So a personal database, such as TreeProjects, basically does everything a file manager does and much more ... in that sense, it sounds like a full replacement.

I guess what I'm asking is this: one were simply to load all one's files into a project such as TreeProjects, could one potentially say "goodbye" to file managers?

What do others think, on this question?

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VLM Oh, what about an application such as AllMyNotes ... similar to NoteZilla, perhaps? How does something like this compare? (AllMyNotes, I realize that SoftwareGuy and others have already commented on NoteZilla specifically.)

Honestly, I find this product category confusing!!! So I find myself experiencing a sort of paralysis, not acting because I'm not sure ... not only not sure what action to take, but even how to figure out what action to take. Sigh ...

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tom drake VLM: You could get rid of file managers for the purpose of managing documents.
However you'll still need file manager if you need to start executable, install some portable software, and so on - ie . to manage anything that's not a document.

what about an application such as AllMyNotes ... similar to
NoteZilla, perhaps? How does something like this compare

The only way is to
1. decide what you are looking for
2. decide whether TreeProjects meets the criteria
if unsure about 1 or 2, download and install all programs you can find in this category, test for a month, then decide which fits your way of working and personality best

There is no best program. For me, best one would be a combination of UR, Treeprojects, Zoot and Keynote or Rightnote and perhaps MyInfo.

I have purchased TreeProjects today, because for such low price I can justify using it even when I already have similar software, just for a couple of nice features it has.

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Neil VLM - Not at all. Your PC/Mac has a file system that all your programs recognize. They won't store them in this database, nor update them. You need the file manager to manage those files.

This database is in a sense, a secondary file system, that requires that you import and export before you use it in other programs.

With Windows file manager, and other great programs like Directory Opus, the file system works very well like a database, and gives you a universally supported storage system. The thumbnails that Explorer and these program will show give you a visual index of a folder. Plus with long file names, you can encode a fair amount of descriptive information in a file name (or in file "metadata" like EXIF and IPTC fields).

As far as search and retrieval, there are many programs that do that too, without needing to store those files in a secondary file system. The free program Search Everything is a great way to find your files in microseconds just by typing part of the name. There are other free programs like Google Desktop that can index them and search by the contents.

Not that this program doesn't have uses...I use Evernote, a similar program to this one, to capture web pages and allow me to search through them, while retaining links to the real data on the internet. I don't store my many picture files in there though...because I want them to be "ready to use"--ready to open up in a program like Photoshop.

I'm not saying this program isn't useful, just that replacing your file system isn't a "use" for it!

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Software Guy VLM,

I do not recommend what you are asking to do.. To shed some light on this, let me explain - first, notezilla can tag filesor documents or websites with notes; there are other tagging software like Tabbles that tag and group files to make them easier to find. Also, notezilla is a sticky note reminder program. Hott notes are similar and free but with less function - they are great for short notes and reminders.
Next are the notes programs. Minipad2 is free and the smallest of the type. Next is allmynotes, which is a freeform notes program. It basically allows you to set up a tree of metafiles and folders, much like TreeProjects. Many other note programs fall into this model like treenotes evernotes, texnotes, allmynotes and others. PIMs usually follow this model also. Each tree keeps the meta files stored in a single database. Some note programs are tabbed and allow each tab to hold a different set of metafiles and each tab is its own file.
Now I like the database model for related types ofdata or small files, like research notes, or book chapters, or class notes. But when one starts dealing with a large number of items, I still prefer separate files. And files as you know are stored in folders and searched using file managers. And there are some quick and light file managers like xyplorer or explorer2. Now some people will use tabs to allow appending notes to files or to 'relate' groups of files. Vista and mac osX allow direct tagging of most files. Otherwise you need a tagging program like tabbles or notezilla to do the tabbing for you. There are a whole number of tagging programs.
TreeProjects is a freeform notes program which uses a database model as the base setup as opposed to a free file as the base setup. there are advantages and disadvantages to this approach but the note programs generally use this approach. TreeProjects uses tabs to relate the metafiles within its structure. Allmynotes is a simple light version and texnotes is a heavy duty version as examples. And PIM style organizers use this approach internally as do book writing software.
Now file managers deal with fully seoarate files. the beauty is that is the same format as the operating system, and each file can be easily manipulated by file maanagers.
So, you really need a file manager for file manipulation no matter what. then if you have a number of related notes as in a book or for reseach. you may find this format of tree projects or other note programs useful. but a relational datbase is usually not such a good place to store lots of files, so they do not really replace file managers.
And you might want a separate tagging program to help group files if the number of files and folders gets to be quite large.

So a file manager and the the notes program are different things. And tagging or using sticky notes is just a helpful way to group or add reminders
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This is a space constrained explanation but I hope that it helps. If you need more help I can add some more info but most likely tomorrow. Thanks.

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Steven Avery I just want to compliment Yaroslav. Not only are his responses excellent, he is even willing to point out a good feature on a competitor's product (although I am not sure that MyBase makes an .exe for viewing)

One of the best author response folks we have seen on Bits.

Steven

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VLM Steven - Ditto! Yaroslav, brilliant day, truly!! (Again :)

Torn Drake & Software Guy - THANK YOU!!! VERY MUCH!!!

I bought the software ... a decision, YAAY!

Software Guy, if you feel willing tomorrow, yes, I would like to explore one aspect of your comments a bit further. Several times, you've named NoteZilla as your ace tool for tagging files. By this, do you mean tagging, as, in effect, assigning keywords/descriptors to files, where you've created a (however formalized) tag naming convention and hierarchy for yourself? (Sorry for the convoluted sentence.)

I have purchased AllMyNotes but not used it much yet. So I'm going to have to figure out what to use for what, as several people have described already. I guess I was looking for that "perfect program" that would do everything, including things I haven't yet thought of doing. LOL at myself for that.

Cheers!

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VLM Oh, Neil Shapiro, I did not mean to overlook you ... Thank you, too!!! VERY MUCH!!!

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Jan-Christoph Ihrens @Steven Avery: See http://www.wjjsoft.com/my...ml#H2_4425 regarding the .exe feature. :)

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Software Guy VLM - good to hear that you bought Tree Projects. It really looks to be an excellent choice, and the developer has been great.
on tagging files, there are a number of file tagging programs and you must try a few to see which you like. Tabbles offered here on BDJ comes to mind and there are others. I like Notezilla because it does so many things, including adding notes to files and documents. And you can tag files in Vista as part of the OS, but that feature was not carried to win7.
Finally you likely need a good file manger. Picking one is a matter of personal choice. I use xyplorer, powerdesk, explorer2 and directory opus on various computers. Each has its strengths - depends what you want to do. And there are others like total commander and acbrowser which you may want to check out. Free commander is a good free managre which I include on my usb drives should I need it - remember portable apps do not require installation on the host computer, which makes them very convenient if you might need to do things on another's computer..
Hope some of this info is helpful to you. Good luck.

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VLM Thanks so much Software Guy, you are a treasure! Yes, this adds to my understanding! I like the idea of tagging files, so that files in unrelated directories can be, well, related. I have not done that before and will await a promotion here for NoteZilla, Tabbles, or the like.

Have a great day!

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Richard Elliott I am interested in this software but just missed the deal. Is there any estimate when it might return?

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Charlotte Sinclaire I would like to watch the video, but it doesn't seem to be working..

Jan 18 2013 at 7:20am Copy Link

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Charlotte Sinclaire Oops, working now. : thanks.

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Scott Youngman "Upgrades ... will be free up to the next major version..."

Because the current version is already 2.9.1, is appears that future upgrades will be very limited, ending at 3.0. Is that correct? Thanks.

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Scott Youngman Is it possible to highlight or annotate PDF and HTML items in TreeProjects?

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Charlotte,

You may watch the video intro here: http://www.youtube.com/wa...LKdcc78stU . The embedded version on this page will be updated shortly.

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Scott,

Upgrades will be free at least up to the next major version *and* all its minor versions. So, nor version 3.0 neither version 3.9 will require a payment to upgrade to from the current version.

Smereka TreeProjects - Jan 18 2013 at 11:17am Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Scott,

If you are talking about highlighting the search results, it's supported in HTML items but not currently in PDF items. Custom inline annotation works only in Office formats, as you can edit them from within the TreeProjects window, and use the standard annotation facilities.

Smereka TreeProjects - Jan 18 2013 at 11:21am Copy Link

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Rogerio Souza Great idea!

Jan 18 2013 at 5:23pm Copy Link

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Rogerio Souza (sorry my precarios english)

If I change the place of the file, the TreeProjects recognize/identify this operation?

Thanks!

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Scott Youngman Thanks for the clarification on upgrades, Yaroslav. That is a very generous policy.

Just to be clear, the reason I was confused is that "UP TO the next major version" does not INCLUDE that version.

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Rogerio,

If you import a file into a TreeProjects database, a copyt of the file will "live" in the database, and TreeProjects will not need the original. You can take your database file with you, and all the imported files will go with you. The files are stored compressed, so this will not take up more space than absolutely needed.

Smereka TreeProjects - Jan 19 2013 at 11:42am Copy Link

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Carl Matteson Is Windows 8 version in the works and will there be any additional charges for that upgrade?

PS - This program is highly recommended by the experts at Outliner Software.com - glad to see this software on BDJ.

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Carl,

Thanks a lot!

TreeProjects works well on Windows 8. See http://personaldatabase.o...-windows-8 for more info.

Smereka TreeProjects - Jan 20 2013 at 7:14am Copy Link

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Bertie Brummel @Yaroslav:

Does this software come with a "per computer" or "per user" license type? Means: can I install it on more than one computer? They are all used via 1 Keyboard-Video-Mouse-Switch.

Jan 21 2013 at 2:04am Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Bertie,

The licenses are per user:

- You can install the program on as many PCs you want, and run it on any PC you want.
- However, you can only concurrently (simultaneously) use (run) TreeProjecrts only on as many PCS as the number of licenses.
- Note it is OK to launch several copies on a single PC as a single user.

Smereka TreeProjects - Jan 21 2013 at 2:40am Copy Link

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Carl Matteson Problem with trying to pay with Paypal.

The purchase site asks for name, address, phone number, etc. Paypal is designed to avoid having to provide that personal information and supplying that information is unnecessary with Paypal.

Please advise how to buy with Paypal and avoid the preliminary screen reqyuiring the unnessary personal infiormation.

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Carl,

PayPal is one of the buying options that you can select. But I am not sure why FastSpring decided to collect that information - my guess that it is not publicly available from PayPal for third parties, and FastSpring needs it for invoices and bookkeeping. Anyway, sorry for the trouble!

Smereka TreeProjects - Jan 21 2013 at 4:54am Copy Link

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Bruce Frcek Yarsolav,

Your program looks great. I only have a couple quick questions in the area of Web Pages. I do a lot of online research and need to easily copy/import web pages and store them as a static page the day I copy them. My questions are:
(a) Do you integrate with any browsers to make it easy to import web pages or web-clippings
(b) Is the page stored or is it just a link that can change in the future?

Thanks! .

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Bruce,

(a) Not at the moment, although it's planned, and you can use the "monitored folder" to save web pages directly to TreeProjects (please look it up in help), or drag HTML links directly to the item tree.

(b) Web pages are stored in the database with all the images and styles, so you can view and find them offline. But links to the web pages are preserved too, and shown above the web page content.

Smereka TreeProjects - Jan 21 2013 at 10:55am Copy Link

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Mark Johnson Does TreeProjects support Windows 8?
If not, when is that expected?

Jan 21 2013 at 11:07am Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Mark,

Yes, TreeProjects runs on Windows 8 as a desktop application.

Smereka TreeProjects - Jan 21 2013 at 11:13am Copy Link

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Mark Johnson Trial...
I tried a few times dragging/dropping an email from Outlook, and was pleased to see it did a good job of importing the email. However, I really, really don't like that the default behavior is to delete the email out of Outlook, and that I have to hold down CTRL while dragging to prevent that from happening. Is there someplace I can configure that to be the default? If not, it really needs to be added as an option (i.e. default to NOT deleting on import, with an option to delete).

Does TreeProjects use riched20.dll (from MS Office) for a rich text editor? I'm asking because of the similarity in function between the RTE in TreeProjects and the one in Ultra Recall. riched20.dll causes a lot of problems in Ultra Recall, so I'm hoping TreeProjects doesn't use it.

Is there any chance some defaults can be added for quick keyboard entry of new tree items? I'm used to doing fast entry with just the insert key (same level) or shift-insert (child) but with TreeProjects it seems there are a lot of things that require using the menu or a right-click of the mouse. There REALLY need to be keyboard-friendly tree entry options; are they really there and I'm just missing them?

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Mark,

I feel your pain. I added your request to the issue tracker with a higher priority.

Smereka TreeProjects - Jan 21 2013 at 12:50pm Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Nighttime has come to my patch of Earth, so thanks everyone for the questions. I'll be back to answer more of them in several hours.

Smereka TreeProjects - Jan 21 2013 at 12:55pm Copy Link

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Robert W I’ve just registered a copy. Yaroslav seemed interested and very helpful, over the last few days as I corresponded with him. One of the issues I had was how JPG pictures would be treated if used in a Rich Text type of document. I’m going to try using lots of Microsoft Word files being imported into TreeProjects. This is probably not a typical approach. But -- Word will handle Jpg pictures, and heavy formatting really well for my purposes. TreeProjects apparently makes it really easy to Use and indexed many different popular External Files formats including Microsoft Office such as Word and Excel --- also PDF files, and the already integrated Email messaging. Yaroslav I’m going to have some issues, problems, and suggestions as I use TreeProjects. But really Thanks! TreeProjects looks like a really Great piece of software.

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Robert W I would be interested what you have Formulated as hopes or plans for upcoming enhancements. Also, I hope you will consider having a User Forum.

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Roberto Velasco Yaroslav, are you planning to make an special offer?
Thanks

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Roberto, please contact me via the contact form on the web site.

Smereka TreeProjects - Apr 15 2013 at 1:20am Copy Link

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R. G. Excellent info database that does search, viewing and organizing the data very well. I hope v.3 is close

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a a Haven't taken any notice of this before. I currently use Ultra Recall, but it has some flaws and is very slow on web import.

TreeProjects looks promising and I like the regular updates with both features and fixes being included in minor releases.

Can you add support for viewing/editing syntax highlighted source code like C/C++, HTML, Python etc., so it can be used as a source code repo ?

One other thing I'd like to see is tabbed interface for different databases. I know it already has tabs for different sections in a single Db, but I would like to be able to open multiple databases in a single window and have each one represented as a top-level tab in the window (ie. document tabs should just be a container for the rest of the window).

Off to give TP a try now.

PS. Given the current version is 2.9.3, will all 3.x.x updates be included if purchased through BDJ offer ?

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Jeff Carbello Did not get a chance to look at this app, but I have heard many folks recommend EverNote and wonder how it compares. I think EverNote has plugins for browser to make it very simple to integrate clipping items from web and in same workflow indexing them with database info. Its also in the cloud so you get access to your info anywhere and there are portable apps for access (iPad, etc).

I did not see any info in the comments or website to indicate how one might access their info on an iPad when mobile.

Also the tag viewing was not sure of. The screenshot for tags does not make it clear if their is a alternate view pane on left that can show all tags and when select tag it shows all docs with that tag. Also in regards to tags and metadata, I find that most applications store this local in database, but never write the data to the files that support embedded metadata (PDF,JPG) and if they do they do not support the extended and newer embedded metadata model of XMP. Does TreeProjects write XMP metadata (i.e. tags) into PDF or JPG files?

However, compared to other local info treeview/database document organizers, this application looks very impressive.

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi a a,

Syntax coloring for programming language files is planned.

I recognize that for many people tabs would offer superior user experience, but I feel that Windows OS already does a nice job managing several databases, by allowing to launch several copies of the program. I try to keep the program as simple as possible, and I prefer adding complexity only where it maximizes benefit. Complexity is my worst enemy as a developer :-)

Version 3 will be free for 2.x users.

Smereka TreeProjects - Jul 26 2013 at 1:02pm Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi Jeff,

TreeProjects so far bundles no browser plug-ins, but it allows importing web pages by dragging links to the tree or entering the URL

"The screenshot for tags does not make it clear if their is a alternate view pane on left that can show all tags and when select tag it shows all docs with that tag." - The tag view is a pane, and you can arrange all the panes in your workspace to your liking. So yes, you can put the tag view on your left. When you click a tag, you get the list of all the tagged items. You can also select multiple tags to filter items more precisely, and finally you can use complex visual boolean search to include tags in your search query.

"I find that most applications store this local in database, but never write the data to the files that support embedded metadata (PDF,JPG)" - Nope, TreeProjects does not attempt to modify the files it stores. What you import is what you export.

Smereka TreeProjects - Jul 26 2013 at 1:11pm Copy Link

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Retired Engineer Can TreeProjects search for text in the documents stored in its document tree?

Jul 27 2013 at 8:46am Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi Retired Engineer, - Yes, it can.

Smereka TreeProjects - Jul 27 2013 at 1:51pm Copy Link

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Ivan Helfman I own WhizFolder. What would TreeProjects give me to make the switch worthwhile?

Jul 28 2013 at 2:17am Copy Link

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Richard Cantor Is Windows 8 supported?

Jul 28 2013 at 3:19am Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Richard, yes, Windows 8 is supported.

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Ivan, I am not familiar with WhizFolder, but I did a quick check and it appears that the program is limited to rich text, whereas TreeProjects can store, search, and preview other types of documents, like PDF/Office files, image files, or web pages. But again, my glance at WhizFolder was cursory, and I will happily accept corrections!

Smereka TreeProjects - Jul 28 2013 at 4:13am Copy Link

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Stephen Kreyling With the free upgrade to version 3 I got a copy. I tried the demo and it will work out well for the web research that I have to do.

Stephen

Jul 28 2013 at 5:09am Copy Link

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Adam Smolenski For how long is a free update? What price will update?

Jul 28 2013 at 6:22am Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach All updates to 3.x will be free for all 2.x users.

Smereka TreeProjects - Jul 28 2013 at 6:51am Copy Link

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Stephen Cohen Wonderful??? I just installed Tree Projects 15 minutes ago and the trial is already expired!

Jul 28 2013 at 9:08am Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi Stephen Cohen, Are you sure you didn't install a TreeProjects trial during one of the previous promos? After you uninstall and reinstall, expired trial will not be renewed. Anyway, just drop me a line, and I will assist you.

Smereka TreeProjects - Jul 28 2013 at 9:19am Copy Link

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Software Lover Yaroslav, I'm using your last freeware version 1.1.7 , it's excellent. However I had a problem, when Window (then XP) default system input default was set to Left to Right language. Did you correct this in TreeProjects ?

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Mike Shanahan I just purchased a new TrreProjects license and am SO happy I did. I love the software and appreciate the support the developer provides. It's obvious this is a labor of love for him and not just quick money. He's worked long and hard to get this to where it is.
@Software Lover - I'm not sure and didn't go down all the changes just since '11 - but here is the change log on their website:
http://personaldatabase.org/history

Highly recommended if you need to organize your life. The web import feature is as good as much more expensive like-software...too many things to list, I love it.

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davidpaul Hi Yaroslav,

My workflow is heavily but not exclusively web-based and involve a lot of clipping whole and parts of web pages. There is also quite a bit of organizing, viewing and importing of PDFs and MHT files as well as the sundry MS Office documents. Would you consider developing browser plugins since these would really facilitate working with web pages and the user does not have to keep dragging and dropping.

Thanks.

P.S. I have also emailed you about extending the trial period.

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi Software Lover, no, I'm afraid not, I haven't paid full attention to RTL environments yet. Sorry about that.

Smereka TreeProjects - Jul 29 2013 at 3:12am Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi davidpaul, yes, browser plugins is one of the higher priority tasks on my to-do list.

Smereka TreeProjects - Jul 29 2013 at 3:14am Copy Link

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TESS273 Any plans to support Android devices or methods to use?

And where does TreeProjects save images of HTML page(including imported MHTML)? external Link or DB?

Thanks.

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi TESS273: I very much want to extend TreeProjects to support more platforms, including Android. Technically speaking it's ready for that - the user interface is cross-platform, and the database stuff is platform-agnostic. However, supporting a platform is an enormous task.

Web pages are saved completely in the database, including images and styles. So you can revisit them offline. Nevertheless, the original URL is saved as well, should you like to reopen a fresh version.

Smereka TreeProjects - Jul 29 2013 at 5:38am Copy Link

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TESS273 That's exactly what I need. I've just purchased. :D

Thanks for your quick and kind response, and I hope that TreeProjects supports multi platforms ASAP.

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Mary Wilson My favorite part of this program is how easy it is to import web pages. I do plan to get it, but I do have a question about the program that I did not see on the TreeProject websight. Will I need one or two copies if I want a copy of TreeProject on my laptop and my main system. Also, can I save the data to Dropbox and use it on both the laptop and main system.

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davidpaul Hi Yaroslav,

Thanks for helping me get the trial running again. I am glad that browser plugins are in the pipeline. Does TreeProjects support MHT files? If not, would you consider adding support for them?

I can't seem to save many webpages to TreeProjects. After dragging a webpage to TreeProjects, I see the pop up window "Importing (creating portable copy)..." and then the item shows up in the left hand pane. However, when I click on the item, the right hand pane remains blank. This happens for most of the webpages I have tried except for one or two where the saved webpage is displayed in the right hand pane.

Could you help?

Thanks.

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Neil I had the same experience as someone else--perhaps I'd tried this software before (if this is not the first time offered) but it told me, after installing the trial and running, that my trial had expired. There's a convenient extend a trial button, but all it does is give you an address to write to. It should just give you a few days at least without me having to waste more time. Also, most vendors I know reset their "trial" flags every version release in case someone wants to re-evaluate when a new version comes out. I'm very busy and it's already gotten it's share of my time in the install, uninstall, and just writing this, so maybe we'll see you next time it's offered.

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Mansoor Seikh Does it support standard/custom attributes for documents and other items for indexing purpose (similar to document management software), this will be very helpful for organizing and finding documents. If not, is there plan to support that?

Thanks,
Mansoor

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi Mary,

"Will I need one or two copies if I want a copy of TreeProject on my laptop and my main system." - No, you only need one license for all the computers you have. (But you can't install a copy on anyone else's computer.)

"can I save the data to Dropbox and use it on both the laptop and main system" - Yes, that's what I do. However, if you try to open the same database on two computers, and make changes on both ends, Dropbox will detect the conflict and create a "conflicted copy". So you may not want to edit databases concurrently.

Smereka TreeProjects - Jul 29 2013 at 7:18am Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi davidpaul,

"Does TreeProjects support MHT files?" - It can store any file. If you're asking if TreeProjects can search and preview MHT files, then the answer is yes. It treats web archives as web pages.

"I can't seem to save many webpages to TreeProjects. When I click on the item, the right hand pane remains blank." - TreeProjects will not import very complex web pages, namely web pages that rely heavily on JavaScript for rendering. Web page capturing seems a simple task, but in fact is surprisingly hard ( http://personaldatabase.o...-web-pgaes ) and may not work perfectly here. For many people capturing capabilities in TreeProjects works well, but please see if it meets your specific requirements.

Smereka TreeProjects - Jul 29 2013 at 7:31am Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi Mansoor Seikh,

"Does it support standard/custom attributes for documents and other items for indexing purpose" - You can already assign text tags to every item in your database, and build search queries search based on tags, contents, and other built-in attributes. There are no *custom* attributes available yet, but development has already begun to support them. The addition of the "complex query builder", for example, is part of this activity.

Smereka TreeProjects - Jul 29 2013 at 7:35am Copy Link

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Mariusz Lewandowski Is it possible to link files to the database instead of storing them there? I'm afraid that synchronization of a huge db file after a tiny change in a single file will take ages.

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ddalian I see from the change log that it has been over a year since the last update of any kind. Is the software still being actively developed, are there any upcoming changes or improvements?

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Gil Chichester It appears the Blog has been dormant for over a year as well. I too would like to know about the ongoing development of TreeProjects before investing in it.

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi ddalian, Gil, after several years of very active development, there indeed has been a development hiatus, caused by personal factors. However, a new release is already in the making. At first, I plan several maintenance releases in the nearest weeks/months, that will deal with some of the more "popular" bugs that the users have reported, and probably also introduce minor new features. Later this year I am planning version 3 (a free upgrade for the owners of version 2), which will add at least one major feature.

Smereka TreeProjects - Apr 20 2014 at 1:15pm Copy Link

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bvssunnydale Hi, I purchased this back in Jan 2013 but never actually used it (I don't even remember if I installed it - not unusual for me unfortunately). Anyway, has it changed much since then (is there a link showing new features)? Does it have the ability to index linked docs (like PDFs) - or at least maintain tags to external docs (I'm very big on tagging). Thanks very much for your help.

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Hi bvssunnydale, feature-wise, since January 2013, only automatic recovery of opened documents was added. The ability to index file items (file attachments like PDF and DOC files) was available since the very first release.

Smereka TreeProjects - Apr 21 2014 at 6:16am Copy Link

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Bob McLain It's worrisome that user-reported bugs have gone unfixed for at least a year. Why not fix the bugs first, then offer the software on Bits?

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Bob, thanks for your comment. Since TreeProjects was first offered on BitsDuJour in 2011, many bugs have been fixed. Most of them were kindly reported by the users, and there are no known critical, disabling issues. But I concur that, after the year-long break, users should continue to receive improvements, and they are on the way.

Smereka TreeProjects - Apr 21 2014 at 12:31pm Copy Link

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach My side of the Earth has turned away from the Sun - so I will resume responding to your comments in several hours. Thanks all!

Smereka TreeProjects - Apr 21 2014 at 12:39pm Copy Link

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Ronald Jurman I'm using the trial version and coming across an issue that might be in your bug database. It's a bit of a problem.

I added two HTML items (web pages) from HTML saved files (rather than URLs).

One formatted just fine with pictures, columns, etc., and looks just fine. Great!

The other very similar HTML file comes in looking just as well, with the exception of one very troublesome quirk: The left edge of the page looks to be missing a narrow strip (generally missing the first character of every line of text throughout the article, making it very problematic to read).

Both web page files show up properly when viewed with web browsers (IE, Firefox), (i.e. no missing edge for that one page).

Is this a known issue?

Ron

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Richard Andersen It looks like compatibility mode isn't being set for the browser control which means it runs in default mode (IE 7). This will cause formatting problems with many webpages these days. Try to import this page, for example:

http://daz3d.com

- you'll see that the formatting is completely messed up.

Then try to close TreeProjects and set the compatibility mode for "smereka.exe" with this program and see the difference:

http://taosoft.dk/software/freeware/wbcm

(It's totally safe (tested on virustotal.com), it will go on the internet when you start it but that's just to check for an update. Remember to "Run as Administrator" otherwise it won't work.)

Note that in XP there may be problems even if you set the compatibility mode because XP only supports IE 8 or earlier versions of IE. Some things may be fixed in some cases by choosing a higher mode but not all. IE 10 or 11 is recommended if your system supports them.

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Ronald Jurman Richard,

Interesting find.

That looks like it is making the difference. Many thanks!

Ron

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Peter Martin I don't know if you have it but I am looking for a free form database manager that can split notes , arrange or sort several notes or split notes, and join them

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach It is quite hard to capture web pages perfectly. This is due to the dynamic nature of web pages which often need ongoing communication with the web server to render properly. So please keep in mind that generally web pages will look slightly different than live on the Internet, and occasionally they may not display properly. This does not indicate a bug in the database storage, but rather an imperfect conversion to offline HTML. In such cases, I print a web page to a PDF file and store it instead (which is very easy if you use the monitored folder feature).

For those interested in the technical details, there's a blog entry: http://personaldatabase.o...-web-pgaes .

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Richard Andersen @Yaroslav

True, but you still need to set the compatibility mode for the WebBrowser control, otherwise some pages will look like a mess no matter what you do, like my example above demonstrates.

I'm using the WebBrowser control myself in several programs I've written and I always include code for setting the correct compatibility mode for these programs, otherwise many webpages are displayed incorrectly.

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Jason Howard @Yaroslav - what should I do to capture web pages that TreeProjects just shows as "blank" - such as
http://www.gfi.com/blog/t...ys-admins/

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Richard Andersen @Jason

Works fine here, though formatting is a bit off (content not centered on page). It may have to do with which IE version you're using (mine is IE11 64 on Win 8 64).

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Jason Howard @Richard, I didn't realise using IE was a requirement. I was using Chrome 33 as my preferred browser. When I changed to IE - looks like I got the same result as yourself (works, but formatting is off).

Normally it works fine using Chrome (just not on some pages).

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Richard Andersen @Jason

The browser used in TreeProjects and many other programs are actually a clone (.NET WebBrowser control) of the IE on the system, so it inherits its properties and settings. And since the different versions of IE handles web content in different ways, the clone will do so as well.

To complicate things further, unless you set the IE compatibility mode for a program using the WebBrowser control it will default to IE 7 mode, meaning it will handle all web content as IE 7 does. See some of my previous posts above.

EDIT: the page you link to looks fine in IE 11 for me, it's only in TreeProjects the formatting is a bit off. The strange thing is that if I set TreeProjects in IE 11 mode which should solve the formatting problems, it gets even worse. May be because that mode conflicts with the way TreeProjects parses the content.

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach There is no requirement to set IE as the preferred browser, IE has simply to be installed (which it amost always is, being part of Windows). On my system, the preferred browser is Firefox, and page capturing is unaffected. Let me see if Chrome affects the situation in some way.

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Richard Andersen I like this program but it seems that webpage capturing has some problems. Some pages are severly misformatted, others are causing the program to hang or become extremely slow (Win 8/64 with IE11). Examples:

http://daz3d.com
http://renderosity.com

However, if I shut down TreeProjects after capturing these pages, change the compatibility mode to IE11, and then restart it, the pages now look okay and cause no problems.

Unfortunately, if you try to capture the same pages while TreeProjects is in IE11 mode, formatting is severely messed up so just keeping it in IE11 mode is not a solution. If you could capture in default mode (IE 7), and shift to IE11 mode when displaying the pages it would work I think. But then, I've tried using the same method in Windows 7 with IE10 and here it doesn't seem to work so that's not a general solution either I guess.

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Yaroslav Pidstryhach Richard, thanks for your detailed report. I have tried importing http://www.daz3d.com in a clean virtual machine, first before installing Chrome, then after installing it. Both times the process was successful, althgouh it was not fast, and there are some differences in formatting. This means that the problems you're experiencing depend on some detail of your computer configuration, that my code doesn't handle properly. If you could post the version of your Internet Explorer, that would help me a lot (TreeProjects uses the API of Internet Explorer to "offline-ize" and render web pages).

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Sebastian Guzek Hi Yaroslav,

I am very happy the development of TreeProjects is picking up again.
It's currently my main notes organizer. I can't live without it!

Any plans of integrating its own file viewer for popular formats like xlsx, docx, pdf, etc instead of utilizing external apps? Something like Oracle's OutsideIn which is used in X1 desktop search? The viewer could also be used for indexing thus making TreeProjects all-in-one solution.

Also, it would be great to have the option to undock individual notes from the main window with always-on-top button.

In addition, a global hotkey that could create a new note in a desired folder would be great.

Lastly, I've noticed screen refresh issues when scrolling through notes that have both text and graphics.

Please let me know if you need beta testers!

All the best,

Sebastian

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Sebastian Guzek Just wanted to add that another great example of OutsideIn viewer is the uLister plugin for TotalCommander. The author of uLister also provides source code:
http://www.totalcmd.net/p...ister.html

With this library you can view over 300 popular file formats (pdf, doc, docx, xls, xlsx, svg, dwg, etc.) without the native apps. Pretty impressive!

If TreeProjects supported such plugin architecture, it would allow people to fully customize it for their use.

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James User Peter Martin asked, "I don't know if you have it but I am looking for a free form database manager that can split notes , arrange or sort several notes or split notes, and join them"

Info Select had that capability. I've not used IS for a number of years but there is a full-feature demo you can download and try. http://www.miclog.com/software/index.php

I bought and use TreeProjectsXL. I use it mostly for attaching and indexing documents, very little with capturing webpages. It is the only software I have found which can capture and index Lotus Notes email using drag and drop. The file export function is good enough that I sometimes use TreeProjects as a front-end to format information for other programs.

My only complaint is that searching needs to be improved. Searching for indexed items is fast and works well but it is limited to word searches and a simple wildcard search of word*

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